Section Eight

That’s a low number…IMHO, try more like 40-60%.

I’ll ask the rhetorical question again, if we went to them and they signed it, for an increased cost of 477 million (union slide) that means to me that the delay is worth at least Twice that to them.

Is anybody else following this? Give me one good reason they would sign off on this…doesn’t that ring alarm bells for anyone who’s been here for more than 5 minutes? Have we lost all perspective from the 2 hour premiums that we forgot who we work for?

If it’s $477 million to us, it has to be worth $1 Billion (at least) to them to draw this out.

There is NO WAY, they would just sign this just to give us a raise…think about that

Carry on.

flyguy23

You’re not wrong at all to ask those questions. They are absolutely valid. What this is worth to the company is 100% worth exploring and considering. You also need to ask what it’s worth to us and which vote benefits us long term. It’s not as simple as just looking at this from the company’s perspective.

Recliner

And if the economy tanks when/before we pull up to the table to negotiate?

The 10 percent raise is going to have looked pretty smart.

The best leverage we had was the 20k of profits per minute. With emphasis on had.... assuming the economy goes south. It is so disappointing to me we aren't negotiating right now for a contract.

I'm still trying to reason why the company is willing to pay for this. And I'm starting to think there is some sort of leverage gained for UPS if we vote this down.

BrowntownNewbie

which we would be using right now at the negotiating table had we not kicked the can down the road in 2020.

CardboardCutout

I'm strongly inclined to trust the EB to know what to do. But if there's something more to this than meets the eye, I wish they'd say what it is.

robxjt27

IBT = 340,000 wokers
IPA = 3,300 workers

IBT is backbone of UPS labor, that’s why the sympathy.

flyguy23

I understand that, and I also understand the mediator would be sympathetic to that. I just disagree that’s the way it should be. The mediators sole job is to oversee our negotiations, not ours and theirs.

MidwestMaster

Too bad we didn't vote down the 2020 extension...Then we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. And now people are actually contemplating doing the exact same thing all over again? I refuse to sell my QOL to the company for pay raises that don't keep up with inflation. Nobody I know here complains about money. The #1 complaint is schedules and QOL. So why are pilots jumping into this as a yes vote? The company signed off on this, which should immediately trigger "no" votes by the pilot group based on principle alone. We already have new-hires no-showing classes. Voting this down will just push more applicants to the passenger carriers and put increased pressure on UPS to open article 13. And for those of you that say "nothing will change if we vote this down"...we don't know that, but there's only one way to find out. And the most it costs you is 10% over 3 more years.

Do that math, but I prefer my 477 million from UPS to go into things I won't be taxed on by the IRS like article 13.

Recliner

Anything the company approves of is a no vote from you?

Disco Stu

IF, a strike does happen, how does that work with people on probation? Kind of in a limbo spot, signed up with the union but not really protected because they are on probation?