UPS to hire 63
07-16-2016 | 01:40 PM
#211
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1. Not following you on reserve staffing. 13.B.1.b has not changed. "Minimum reserve staffing by status and equipment in each domicile will be at least ten percent (10%), rounded to the next higher whole number." They could go down to 10% now from 42%..... Because they can shift up to 35% of the lines and can extend you into days off (like a current line holder btw, at massive cost to the company) that's going to lead to more efficiency? I've never sat reserve here so you'll have to spell it out for me.
Right now UPS uses 4 different short call reserve windows, 12A/4A/12p/4p (A/B/C/D). They have to staff those with enough bodies to provide the coverage they think they want/need. By giving them the ability to flex +/- 4 hours, you almost eliminate 2 of the reserve categories and the staffing that goes with them.
The more efficiency comes during the transitions BP to BP. It's somewhat difficult to find a person on reserve to fly a trip that goes bid period to bid period. Now, you can flex someone out for 2 days int'l, 1 day domestic and cover the transition a lot easier
3. CA/CP is now called long call out and will still be included on VTO lines. Ive never seen a CA/CP line in the bp.. Now we can lose 8 hrs of the call out, ok, but at least CA's will do a lot less sim support. Don't see a giveback here...
CA/CP is a lot better than the new long call, and yes there have been and sometimes are CA/CP lines as opposed to just on VTOs. Before, you would usually call at whatever time your window started and either get an assignment or you would be released. That would in essence give you 24 hour notice to get to work. Guys sit all over the country and call in for ONT/SDF/ANC (don't know about MIA). Now, instead of them having to know right away, they get a 6 hour window to call you which gives them more times and flexibility to cover a trip than before and only gives someone a minimum of 16 hour notice which will limit people's ability to sit at home.
The no sim support is nice though.
Here's a take on the reserve.
As a side note, aren't you relatively new to UPS FTFF? Just curious.
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07-16-2016 | 01:52 PM
#212
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Absolutely, they love it. Pay guys 5 hours a day for each vacation day, guys opt in and most will sell their vacation back at a tune of 70 credit hours per month. So much for that one level of safety. I can hear the argument now, your fighting for one level of safety cause your guys are tired, being beat up by our fatigued schedules but xx percent of your guys sold back their vacation and chose to work. Talk about being counter productive! And smart guys like you think they are going to hire cause of all this extra flying! Come at me next time having done for homework!
1. You're assuming guys will cash in vacation. Do you have data to support that "most" guys will do so? Didn't think so. You're guessing and doing it poorly.
2. You are postulating that guys who don't take vacation are a safety issue?AYFKM??? Pairings and bid line construction are the main determinants of whether or not a schedule is safe.
3. So smart guys like you think we are going to furlough over this vacay policy?
Dude, 3 of us have asked you to explain yourself in a manner indicative of someone with critical thinking skills. You've repeatedly replied with faulty speculation, platitudes, and perfunctory arguments which makes you come across as nothing more than a whiny little bitcshe. I see you didn't, and may I assume that you can't, put together a rebuttal from my previous post?
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07-16-2016 | 02:13 PM
#213
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2. CA/CP: not seeing a major difference. 2/3 of the three blocks I've had of CA/CP on a VTO has been an ahss faucking for me. Never heard anyone say its anything better than hit or miss. Yeah, we CAN lose 8hrs of fallout but sorry if I don't see it as an overall concession.
3. Still somewhat new to UPS. Rounding the corner to 2 decades in this industry. Tell me how long on the seniority list I would need to have to be qualified to debate life at brown and I'll consider keeping quiet. Either way, I have a vote so does it really matter?
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07-16-2016 | 02:59 PM
#215
Where's my Mai Tai?
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From: fins to the left, fins to the right
Lighten up Francis. Don't get all backed up about my longevity at UPS question. Others you are speaking to have dealt with this mess longer than you is all. As far as 2 decades in the biz, the majority here have that or more also with multiple airlines/legacies. You're not special.
07-16-2016 | 05:23 PM
#217
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LOL.... a bit off topic I'd say...
For you who are here for info on the new hires:
We're doing fine, I have not met the ppl bickering on here... I have however met the "weak" IPA and got a great impression of them and felt they're happy with the TA, not psyched, but okay, as one would be after COMPROMISING for the better of all. Also after 16 years with ALPA I feel much stronger for the IPA already... (I'm not a union person.)
I have also met management from the "evil" ACP's all the way as high as they come in SDF. Everybody have been nice, sincerely excited to have us there, and very professional. I get a feeling they're trying to get a culture change!? I know, I swallowed the brown juice!
Even so, I know what some of them did back when and it sucks... but it's not going to affect how I feel about and interact with them in daily operations 10 years later.
The class of 21 is a mix of backgrounds. Average age is 41, we're mainly from the regionals, some heavy cargo, some corporate, two military. I think all got almost exactly what they wanted?:
8 x SDF 75Z
6 x SDF 757
4 x SDF MD11
1 x SDF A300
2 X ONT 757
Think I'll be signing off here now...
Good luck to ya'll!
For you who are here for info on the new hires:
We're doing fine, I have not met the ppl bickering on here... I have however met the "weak" IPA and got a great impression of them and felt they're happy with the TA, not psyched, but okay, as one would be after COMPROMISING for the better of all. Also after 16 years with ALPA I feel much stronger for the IPA already... (I'm not a union person.)
I have also met management from the "evil" ACP's all the way as high as they come in SDF. Everybody have been nice, sincerely excited to have us there, and very professional. I get a feeling they're trying to get a culture change!? I know, I swallowed the brown juice!
Even so, I know what some of them did back when and it sucks... but it's not going to affect how I feel about and interact with them in daily operations 10 years later.The class of 21 is a mix of backgrounds. Average age is 41, we're mainly from the regionals, some heavy cargo, some corporate, two military. I think all got almost exactly what they wanted?:
8 x SDF 75Z
6 x SDF 757
4 x SDF MD11
1 x SDF A300
2 X ONT 757
Think I'll be signing off here now...
Good luck to ya'll!
07-16-2016 | 06:39 PM
#218
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07-16-2016 | 07:15 PM
#219
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LOL.... a bit off topic I'd say...
I have also met management from the "evil" ACP's all the way as high as they come in SDF. Everybody have been nice, sincerely excited to have us there, and very professional. I get a feeling they're trying to get a culture change!? I know, I swallowed the brown juice! Even so, I know what some of them did back when and it sucks... but it's not going to affect how I feel about and interact with them in daily operations 10 years later.
I have also met management from the "evil" ACP's all the way as high as they come in SDF. Everybody have been nice, sincerely excited to have us there, and very professional. I get a feeling they're trying to get a culture change!? I know, I swallowed the brown juice!
Even so, I know what some of them did back when and it sucks... but it's not going to affect how I feel about and interact with them in daily operations 10 years later.I guess you don't believe that past history is quite relevant to what people might do in the future?
07-16-2016 | 07:43 PM
#220
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Not at all! My good friend and one who recommended me was furloughed back then... but I feel he has moved on, and so should I. I am of course weary and will, like all, be on my toes for as long as we have this set up but, again, I feel we must move on, fresh contract, fresh start...!??
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