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CL300 03-21-2017 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 2325437)

Also don't make plans on day 15, 16 and maybe 17,18 for that matter. You can be sent on a trip extending into days off with a few restrictions.

This is why you will get reserve as a junior pilot here, those senior guys that might otherwise bid reserve seem to be tapering because of the new reserve rules. It's entirely possible to get 14 on/14 off. I've only heard of someone going to day 17 once, but being extended one or two days is pretty common these days. Hopefully that disappears once we get more bodies on property- we've been very short for a long time.

Swedish Blender 03-21-2017 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by FTFF (Post 2325371)
I think there are 1 or 2 lines on the 74&MD that have something like 12 on 16 off per a 28 day window. Reserve recovery lines are another option to get full guarantee pay with reduced duty commitments.

There was a 74 recovery line with the entire 2nd pay period off.

767pilot 03-21-2017 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by jungle driver (Post 2325351)
is it possible at UPS to get a schedule where you would just work one long trip each month, maybe like one 10 day trip with 20 off?

Not 10/18 (we work 28 day "months" but not as hard as some of these guys will have you think. Depends what fleet. Also consider where you live. There are some cities on some fleets where you can have company paid layovers, like phl or anc on the Z

767pilot 03-21-2017 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 2325437)
Also don't make plans on day 15, 16 and maybe 17,18 for that matter. You can be sent on a trip extending into days off with a few restrictions.

Do you think that it is much different as a line holder? I found myself having to add a 4 day cushion on my bids for an event I needed to cover. I have had end of trip extensions and reroutes several times this year. Late arrival pay is nice, but not worth missing something important over. That was a deal with the devil we made once upon a time.

CactusCrew 03-21-2017 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by CL300 (Post 2325466)
This is why you will get reserve as a junior pilot here, those senior guys that might otherwise bid reserve seem to be tapering because of the new reserve rules. It's entirely possible to get 14 on/14 off. I've only heard of someone going to day 17 once, but being extended one or two days is pretty common these days. Hopefully that disappears once we get more bodies on property- we've been very short for a long time.

Would 10 years be senior ? I'm still bidding RSV. The lines I could hold would be worse, for now. But you are right, the new RSV rules have me considering a base trip line.

I've been extended twice already. Both times domestically, both times relatively short trips that they had no one else to cover. The contractual restrictions aren't going to prevent extensions into days off when we are short staffed.

RSV is going junior now, that trend will most likely continue. With the new (2 week) OCV option, those that would bid RSV to get a month off won't have to do that any more.

767pilot 03-21-2017 07:20 AM

The ten year statement in terms of seniority needs to be taken with a grain of salt. We didn't hire for what, at least 10 out of those five? You aren't that much further from the bottom (%)than a guy with one year. Sorry.

I think I mentioned the qualifier of fleet. I had talked to a very senior (88) a year or so back that said with all of that seniority on the MD he couldn't get as good of a vacation as on the Z because they didn't publish the 14/14 type trips that the Z can have. OCV fixes that for most people.

CactusCrew 03-21-2017 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by 767pilot (Post 2325533)
Do you think that it is much different as a line holder? I found myself having to add a 4 day cushion on my bids for an event I needed to cover. I have had end of trip extensions and reroutes several times this year. Late arrival pay is nice, but not worth missing something important over. That was a deal with the devil we made once upon a time.

No. Never said that.

The new RSV rules are another deal with the devil. I don't even mind the extensions. At least on RSV, unlike you as a lineholder, I can generally see the extension develop before they actually assign it. Its in the tea leaves, so to speak.

The flexibility and extra coverage that the RSV extension days gives them, is where we may have given them more than we got in return. Just MHO. ;)

767pilot 03-21-2017 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 2325542)
No. Never said that.


The flexibility and extra coverage that the RSV extension days gives them, is where we may have given them more than we got in return. Just MHO. ;)

Agree, flexibility for them=bend over for us. At least now you get to open your wallet on the way down.

Thought of a new phrase for dealing with our stagnation, furlough etc. over the last decade. Alternate Growth.

CactusCrew 03-21-2017 07:34 AM

It might have been alternative growth, but it definitely wasn't fake news.

:D

So to the question ...


Originally Posted by jungle driver (Post 2325351)
is it possible at UPS to get a schedule where you would just work one long trip each month, maybe like one 10 day trip with 20 off?

Yes, based on seniority, fleet and seat.

Unlikely as a new hire. :)

767pilot 03-21-2017 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 2325559)
It might have been alternative growth, but it definitely wasn't fake news.

:D

So to the question ...



Yes, based on seniority, fleet and seat.

Unlikely as a new hire. :)

Nope, but guys getting hired now should have a good ride. I just flew with a guy that said he was the plug on Z, hired in June, and he said he got a VTO line. That didn't used to happen.


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