Grumbletrousers

If 1 and 2 really hinge on you accepting the CJO, you're asking the wrong questions.

whooooooocares

As grumpypants said.....
However if you want feed back specifically and broadly;
1) yes
2) single
3) crap
4) no one knows but probably more of the same, i.e. crap

more of a broad picture, this place can be painted very differently depending on who you talk to, and it is simply based on their timing of getting hired with this company and the conjunction of the company's decisions in relation to the industry.

The bonus money is good, it's sh!tty that the money isn't wrapped up into your salary, but take what you can get. I would hope that everyone would talk with their feet and not show up to class so that it would motivate the company to bargain at the table and increase our wages and remove the concessions that are in our current expired contract. That won't happen because individuals on a whole are greedy. Can't blame anyone for that. Upgrades in 18 to 24 months make sense IIIIIFFFFFF we can continue to hire enough people AAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDD a minimum of 10ish captains leave per month. This attrition along with the "planned growth" and the ever present carrot on the stick bigger planes on the horizon rumor come true, we could be upgrading 15-20 per month to catch up and become, and remain properly staffed. Typically "properly staffed" is a very relative term depending on which seat you occupy, (management, executives, scheduling, fo, capt)

it doesn't seem like a terrible idea to come here but its not the most attractive either. Take the advice from grumble and weigh the things that contribute to qol instead of if we have huds or dual fms installed. You would be more of a fool than you already are if that is how you were to choose and airline to work for. You already made the mistake of choosing to become a pilot.

Good luck

el jefe

Most of the hotels we stay at are the same hotels other regionals stay at. Some are good, some are ok. You become creative if you're at an ok hotel.

I can't say I do this job for the overnights. Do it for a few years and all you're thinking about on day one is what you're gonna do at home on your days off.

prex8390

Most regional overnights are meh at best but theres some winners out there. Get used to holiday inns, hamptons, crowne plazas and four points near the airport. Like others have said if youre basing your decsion on duel or single fms, youre in the wrong career path

WhistlePig

If we'd just stay at Four Points or Hampton I'd be happy. At least they are consistent.
Here's an issue that the line-holders don't even know exist (they also don't work more than 4 days in a row unless they want a new boat or forgot to bid). You new guys are going to be on Reserve, so often you won't be staying at the "Crew" hotel with everyone else because you get split off a crew and join a different crew the next day. As a single, don't be surprised to be at a Choice property and 30 minutes from the airport with no restaurant or fast food nearby. Not always, but often enough. The difference in line-holder vs reserve quality of life is immense. It's two different airlines.

lukeh99

I'm genuinely curious what the better option would be? Is this a grass is always greener comment or are there legitimately better options for someone looking for an ORD base? Envoy comes to mind as an alternative since they have a similar bonus structure but is that really any better than AW?

whooooooocares

What I am saying in short is our future is not certain; not that anyone else's is. Our long term future is heavily dependent upon our very short term future, and more specifically an individuals outlook for their short and long term future could be severely impacted by qol issues here at awac. Simple for instance: if the train slows down as it did before and we start to have 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, people in class per month equating to 1, 2, 3, people out on the line 3 months later, those who get hired in the next three month may sit reserve for 2 years. I don't care who you are, resv sucks. SOOOOOOO, all I am saying is weigh your decision carefully because although no one knows what is going to happen in the future, when the future becomes the past, and you look back and think to yourself, "I could have been upgrading at xyz in 3 to 4 months from now if I had just gone there instead." Albeit the xyz in this case could potentially be awac.

whooooooocares

3 Month Upgrade Award

Grumbletrousers

The Legacies, LLCs and Regionals all have a Top-tier, Mid-tier, and Sh*t-tier category.

I would put both Envoy and AWA in the top-tier category. The differences between them are minimal and both would be great places to work. It's down to personal preference.

whooooooocares

I see you have promptly jumped over to the envoy thread and are interested in what they have to offer. This is precisely what I mean. They have the current upgrade times with proof to back it up. We here at awac are operating on the hopes that recruits will believe what the company has to say with no proof of concept. I hope it works out, truly I do, but it is hard to feel positive when we are still being sh!t on. To be clear "we" is a relative term dependant upon seniority.