Actually, no Captain at SWA makes 258 an hour... we have to convert trips to hour. So if we call it trips then we can work 150 a month and we are awesome. I get payed not in trips but ironically by a thing called “pay”. If my pay for a month is 130 you all say I am trampling my fellow pilots. Call it what you want but they can only fly 100 hours block in a rolling 30 days. If you are flying 150 trips at SWA you are working extra and you are working a lot. After all they could fly only 90 trips a month and how much would the make a year then. Yeah there are some games being played where guys are dropping their whole lines and only picking up “premium” every day and trust me there are guys playing some games hear and making a lot of money way more then me. SWA pilots for the most part work a lot and that is why they make a lot, its called math. They are productive and their company is profitable. Yes, they get more time off because their trips on the whole are more productive. I LIKE THEIR SCHEDULING RULES... I really do want them. If I can only show “pay” for a month at 85 then a SWA pilot can only fly 95 trips a month. Anymore then that and you are a company man costing your fellow pilots new hire jobs, greater seniority, and captain upgrades!

 

No... that is looking backwards. Going forward SWA and ALK hourly pay and retirement are almost identical. Shy or anyone like him can work a lot or very little at either company affecting his compensation greatly. Where we do need help is scheduling.

 

-Shy isn’t an idiot. He’s a Jfk based VXer with an anylitcal perspective. 8/10 is probably pretty accurate in JFK. A lot of those guys live in base or have short commutes. If you just got bought and your new suitor was going to be shutting down SEA soon the mood might change a bit in gig harbor. -

I had these very concerns too. I actually voiced them when I heard we were still actively recruiting pilots from the east coast. I told those that actually had a say in keeping the JFK base open or closed that this was wrong to hire guys that wanted the east coast base only to close it on them and trap them here. I was assured that this was not the plan and JFK would remain a base going forward... I guess only time will tell but this is what I was told.

8/10 is still a lie... it’s an exaggeration because you are upset. Check back in 5 years tell me how many VX pilots leave... I will tell you it most certainly will be less then 2%.

 

“Well SWA wasn’t in negotiations in 2017, and also had a much higher hourly rate, so yes...if you were making $216 an hour for the majority of 2017 and ended up with that on your W2 you were undermining our negotiating committee by flying tons of premium. Trust me, BM wishes we had more like you on the line.”

Klsytakesit's Avatar Klsytakesit , Today 01:31 PM
“It is not a “mine is bigger than yours” contest MEA. I have been at Alaska longer than you. I have been a captain longer than you. Until Nov 2017 making more than 200K a year required substantial degradation in quality of life and time off. Something I never did. We have been in a continuous, contentious negotiating cycle since 2005. SWA has not. Making honest and accurate comparisons between work groups is much more beneficial to us all.”

My whole career people have been telling me when I can and can’t make money. Well to be honest they have always only told me “that I can’t, not now, one day though”. I couldn’t when I got hired, I couldn’t after Kasher, I could never as an FO... I can’t now? They tell me soon it will be your turn, just wait, we all have to pay our dues son. Wait for what? Tell your conscience tells you that I am finally ok to have a good career. You must commute and because you choose to do that I must not make anymore then you. I shouldn’t find any good deals and should let someone else have them if I do. I am not working hard I promise, but I am taking home a pretty nice check. The union undermined my career when they pushed through age 65, didn’t stand up when companies were dissolving pensions. Oh I know their hands were tied they had let it all happen. What is D Worthless doing these days. What are the noble union leaders of yesterday at ALK doing these days? Oh that’s right they are stepping all over my career to try to steal more. I will fly 75 this month... sorry guys. I am just working flying the contract so don’t try and shame me with all your nobility.

 

Your friend said he would trade you for your DB retirement plan.....

Seattle's April lines had an average of 14.7. SWA has a minimum of 15 days off; they start off making at least the same for allot more days off.

 

[QUOTE=Mea25000;2548758]Ok, I will bite. ...

I made 329,XXX in 2017

... SWA sucks![QUOTE]

So, let’s see here. Last year, until the Arbitration decision, you guys were @ $216 an hour and $251 for the last couple of months, after Arbitration.

If you made $329 K, you did so, as a check airman, selling your vacation(s) back, working up to 117 limits, and or working Premium, all at the expense of your brothers, sisters, their children, and all the while undermining your negotiating committee.

How many months in 2017 were you guys in Negotiations while YOU were doing any or all of the above? At $329K, probable every one of them-

It’s no mystery why you guys are 5th with a sh*tty CBA and no QoL.

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It’s quite simple mea$329K, the WN guy or gal wasn’t doing it durning negotiations, unlike YOU

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Everyone needs to chill out. The JCBA is done and we are no longer in negotiations. For those who are saying that we are always in negotiations, that's just your opinion. By your theory, then every work group at every airline is in constant negotiations and everyone picking up premium trips are not team players? Stick to the facts. Some of you remind me of those surviving WWII Japanese pilots who were found in Guam years after the war was over, who thought WWII was still going on. I'll say again, the JCBA is signed and done. 2020 negotiations have not officially begun. What is so wrong with exercising the benefits that the majority of the pilot group voted in? By the way, I have not voted yes on a single contract since I've been here but the masses have spoken. Get over it!
I'm no company man but some of you are totally OTL. If you have issues with this place, don't take it out on a fellow pilot. This forum is a good place to vent but that is where it should end. Many of us are survivors of Kasher and most of us have learned to move on from living in anger so chill out and enjoy your 75 hours of credit. Many have taken 35%+ payouts, lost homes, been through divorces, sat reserve for over 8+ years as an FO, couldn't bid to CA for well over a decade, etc. so yeah, I'd say let them reap the negotiated benefits until the next round of negotiations. If you have an axe to grind, do it at home and keep it sharp for 2020. Fights on!

 

All true post negotiations

During is another story-

That’s where the problem lies.
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Hence arbitration and being branded the 5th best.