Leave and Early Out Numbers
08-27-2020 | 01:32 PM
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His furlough prediction may not have come to fruition yet, but ultimately it will probably be accurate if not on the low side, looking at the loads on the company’s website is pretty sad. The company should have awarded all the requested early outs, I think they projected a much more robust recovery than what is going to occur and I think furloughs will be back on the table late this year or early next year, unfortunately.
Didn’t they award all early outs? I thought everyone got what they wanted except a few EILs. Yes I agree that their assumed models were very optimistic. I just hope they run another rounds of EILs instead of going for furlough mitigation or furloughs.
08-27-2020 | 01:47 PM
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His furlough prediction may not have come to fruition yet, but ultimately it will probably be accurate if not on the low side, looking at the loads on the company’s website is pretty sad. The company should have awarded all the requested early outs, I think they projected a much more robust recovery than what is going to occur and I think furloughs will be back on the table late this year or early next year, unfortunately.
08-27-2020 | 02:31 PM
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Nope. They left 12% on the table. 42% bid for it. 30% awarded.
All retirement bids were awarded which is where the confusion comes from.
Also I do agree with severe pain ahead. I was not awarded an EIL due to seniority in base. Which sucks donkey balls as I had a pretty good job lined up.
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08-29-2020 | 07:50 PM
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I have heard no new talk of furlough, AS management seems very happy with our current program. Our numbers are slowly coming in line with expectations, although slightly behind. I keep hearing CASH-Z by Q1 attainable. I have seen summer 2022 fleet projected 214, 227, and 252. Optimism is starting to build a little, I think many feel December will surprise. I know DP is in almost weekly contact with BT, having made multiple visits to Angle Lake. I was never a fan of DP, until I met him. I don’t know if this pandemic has humbled him, I would describe him as a gentleman, a really neat individual. I think there is a lot of potential there for us. I think a form of CARES 2 will happen. My personal opinion is the second 25 billion allocated for loans will become grants. I am pretty sure SFO is toast. I still don’t totally understand why, and have advocated for us keeping it. I still think single fleet will not happen tell 2024-25, unless we end up well bellow the expected recovery level. New enhanced lines for November will be tough to swallow for commuters, a non event for those who live in base. I still have to believe something is a foot with JetBlue... My guess would be next fall something drops.
08-30-2020 | 07:48 AM
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I have heard no new talk of furlough, AS management seems very happy with our current program. Our numbers are slowly coming in line with expectations, although slightly behind. I keep hearing CASH-Z by Q1 attainable. I have seen summer 2022 fleet projected 214, 227, and 252. Optimism is starting to build a little, I think many feel December will surprise. I know DP is in almost weekly contact with BT, having made multiple visits to Angle Lake. I was never a fan of DP, until I met him. I don’t know if this pandemic has humbled him, I would describe him as a gentleman, a really neat individual. I think there is a lot of potential there for us. I think a form of CARES 2 will happen. My personal opinion is the second 25 billion allocated for loans will become grants. I am pretty sure SFO is toast. I still don’t totally understand why, and have advocated for us keeping it. I still think single fleet will not happen tell 2024-25, unless we end up well bellow the expected recovery level. New enhanced lines for November will be tough to swallow for commuters, a non event for those who live in base. I still have to believe something is a foot with JetBlue... My guess would be next fall something drops.
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08-30-2020 | 08:08 AM
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I have heard no new talk of furlough, AS management seems very happy with our current program. Our numbers are slowly coming in line with expectations, although slightly behind. I keep hearing CASH-Z by Q1 attainable. I have seen summer 2022 fleet projected 214, 227, and 252. Optimism is starting to build a little, I think many feel December will surprise. I know DP is in almost weekly contact with BT, having made multiple visits to Angle Lake. I was never a fan of DP, until I met him. I don’t know if this pandemic has humbled him, I would describe him as a gentleman, a really neat individual. I think there is a lot of potential there for us. I think a form of CARES 2 will happen. My personal opinion is the second 25 billion allocated for loans will become grants. I am pretty sure SFO is toast. I still don’t totally understand why, and have advocated for us keeping it. I still think single fleet will not happen tell 2024-25, unless we end up well bellow the expected recovery level. New enhanced lines for November will be tough to swallow for commuters, a non event for those who live in base. I still have to believe something is a foot with JetBlue... My guess would be next fall something drops.
08-30-2020 | 11:50 AM
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08-30-2020 | 06:48 PM
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Going to have to agree to disagree with ya Kotz. Not sure when we get done sliding down the icy scree that we will have dug in enough that we wont slip into the crevasse. By the way, are you joining me for a 24 month EIL as you promised. Still think the Anglers will panic and pull the plug on the EIL program....We are only safe from furlough on a 90 day rolling calendar
08-31-2020 | 07:28 AM
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Going to have to agree to disagree with ya Kotz. Not sure when we get done sliding down the icy scree that we will have dug in enough that we wont slip into the crevasse. By the way, are you joining me for a 24 month EIL as you promised. Still think the Anglers will panic and pull the plug on the EIL program....We are only safe from furlough on a 90 day rolling calendar
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