Alaska Air Hiring
01-24-2018, 02:14 PM
#2911
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 784
We shouldn’t be cancelling any classes. This should be a warning to anyone dumb enough to still want to come work here.
This industry is trending upward for the first time in a long time. American, delta, ual, southwest and just about everyone else is continually hiring at a decent rate. But not us. Why is Alaska so unpredictable? The arrogance and ignorance with the people than run this place is amazing. Instead of growing and being a player in the industry, we cut routes, lose passengers to better airlines, and spend money on stupid new uniforms. Mgmt seems more focused on beating down current employees rather than be an airline that shines. I predict rough seas ahead for this broken ship.
This industry is trending upward for the first time in a long time. American, delta, ual, southwest and just about everyone else is continually hiring at a decent rate. But not us. Why is Alaska so unpredictable? The arrogance and ignorance with the people than run this place is amazing. Instead of growing and being a player in the industry, we cut routes, lose passengers to better airlines, and spend money on stupid new uniforms. Mgmt seems more focused on beating down current employees rather than be an airline that shines. I predict rough seas ahead for this broken ship.
01-25-2018, 03:57 PM
#2914
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 38,195
Originally Posted by OCCP
We shouldn’t be cancelling any classes. This should be a warning to anyone dumb enough to still want to come work here.
This industry is trending upward for the first time in a long time. American, delta, ual, southwest and just about everyone else is continually hiring at a decent rate. But not us. Why is Alaska so unpredictable? The arrogance and ignorance with the people than run this place is amazing. Instead of growing and being a player in the industry, we cut routes, lose passengers to better airlines, and spend money on stupid new uniforms. Mgmt seems more focused on beating down current employees rather than be an airline that shines. I predict rough seas ahead for this broken ship.
This industry is trending upward for the first time in a long time. American, delta, ual, southwest and just about everyone else is continually hiring at a decent rate. But not us. Why is Alaska so unpredictable? The arrogance and ignorance with the people than run this place is amazing. Instead of growing and being a player in the industry, we cut routes, lose passengers to better airlines, and spend money on stupid new uniforms. Mgmt seems more focused on beating down current employees rather than be an airline that shines. I predict rough seas ahead for this broken ship.
01-25-2018, 04:45 PM
#2915
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 59
Originally Posted by rickair7777
The buses go to the paint shop and they delay a class of 8-10? I wouldn't read anything industry-shattering into that.
01-25-2018, 04:46 PM
#2916
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,791
I don't want to discourage anyone from coming here or not, it's their own prerogative. If one wants to entertain numbers to see how it looks?
We have combined ~2,900 pilots and hiring for a total of about ~3,200-3,300 by year end 2018. 10 year retirement (2018-2027) total for both sides combined = 622.
That represents barely 20% of the pilot list over the next 10 years. If you start as a newhire right now as 3,000 or junior, you will be a FO for a loooong time. 622 retirements in 10 yrs means you'll be ~2,380 out of 4,000 to maybe 4,500 pilots. Most of it depends on the fleet plan and just how big we get. Growth to AAG includes both Horizon and Alaska. It's highly doubtful that Alaska will double its mainline fleet in the next 10 yrs. So if you start at 3,000 and assuming upgrade goes to about 50-55% on the list, just how big does the pilot group have to be for a 3,000 today to see a CA slot? 5,000ish?
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at AA: 8,200 (out of ~15,600) which represents 53% of the entire pilot list.
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at DL: 6,400 out of 14,500 which represents 44% of the entire list.
We have combined ~2,900 pilots and hiring for a total of about ~3,200-3,300 by year end 2018. 10 year retirement (2018-2027) total for both sides combined = 622.
That represents barely 20% of the pilot list over the next 10 years. If you start as a newhire right now as 3,000 or junior, you will be a FO for a loooong time. 622 retirements in 10 yrs means you'll be ~2,380 out of 4,000 to maybe 4,500 pilots. Most of it depends on the fleet plan and just how big we get. Growth to AAG includes both Horizon and Alaska. It's highly doubtful that Alaska will double its mainline fleet in the next 10 yrs. So if you start at 3,000 and assuming upgrade goes to about 50-55% on the list, just how big does the pilot group have to be for a 3,000 today to see a CA slot? 5,000ish?
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at AA: 8,200 (out of ~15,600) which represents 53% of the entire pilot list.
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at DL: 6,400 out of 14,500 which represents 44% of the entire list.
01-25-2018, 05:00 PM
#2917
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Position: Boeing FO
Posts: 37
Got this today in email. Kind of vague but not negative I guess....
Thank you for attending last week’s Meet and Greet. We enjoyed getting to know you, and we hope you received valuable information about Alaska Airlines.
We will contact you in the coming weeks about next steps. In the meantime, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.
Thank you for your interest in a career with Alaska Airlines.
Warm regards,
Alaska Pilot Recruiting Team
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Thank you for attending last week’s Meet and Greet. We enjoyed getting to know you, and we hope you received valuable information about Alaska Airlines.
We will contact you in the coming weeks about next steps. In the meantime, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.
Thank you for your interest in a career with Alaska Airlines.
Warm regards,
Alaska Pilot Recruiting Team
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01-25-2018, 08:46 PM
#2918
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Captain
Posts: 88
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I don't want to discourage anyone from coming here or not, it's their own prerogative. If one wants to entertain numbers to see how it looks?
We have combined ~2,900 pilots and hiring for a total of about ~3,200-3,300 by year end 2018. 10 year retirement (2018-2027) total for both sides combined = 622.
That represents barely 20% of the pilot list over the next 10 years. If you start as a newhire right now as 3,000 or junior, you will be a FO for a loooong time. 622 retirements in 10 yrs means you'll be ~2,380 out of 4,000 to maybe 4,500 pilots. Most of it depends on the fleet plan and just how big we get. Growth to AAG includes both Horizon and Alaska. It's highly doubtful that Alaska will double its mainline fleet in the next 10 yrs. So if you start at 3,000 and assuming upgrade goes to about 50-55% on the list, just how big does the pilot group have to be for a 3,000 today to see a CA slot? 5,000ish?
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at AA: 8,200 (out of ~15,600) which represents 53% of the entire pilot list.
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at DL: 6,400 out of 14,500 which represents 44% of the entire list.
We have combined ~2,900 pilots and hiring for a total of about ~3,200-3,300 by year end 2018. 10 year retirement (2018-2027) total for both sides combined = 622.
That represents barely 20% of the pilot list over the next 10 years. If you start as a newhire right now as 3,000 or junior, you will be a FO for a loooong time. 622 retirements in 10 yrs means you'll be ~2,380 out of 4,000 to maybe 4,500 pilots. Most of it depends on the fleet plan and just how big we get. Growth to AAG includes both Horizon and Alaska. It's highly doubtful that Alaska will double its mainline fleet in the next 10 yrs. So if you start at 3,000 and assuming upgrade goes to about 50-55% on the list, just how big does the pilot group have to be for a 3,000 today to see a CA slot? 5,000ish?
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at AA: 8,200 (out of ~15,600) which represents 53% of the entire pilot list.
Next 10 year (2018-2027) retirements at DL: 6,400 out of 14,500 which represents 44% of the entire list.
01-25-2018, 09:00 PM
#2919
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 38,195
Originally Posted by Ronin47
Question, how are current upgrades going since January 11th (one certificate)? Are 9yr Bus Captains upgrading to the Boeing and being cut loose? Just curious how this will play out? Not trying to Flame just curious how the fleet and pilot seniority.
01-26-2018, 04:07 AM
#2920
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: Starboard Bus
Posts: 725
Originally Posted by Ronin47
Question, how are current upgrades going since January 11th (one certificate)? Are 9yr Bus Captains upgrading to the Boeing and being cut loose? Just curious how this will play out? Not trying to Flame just curious how the fleet and pilot seniority.
“upgrading to the Boeing”......you are pretty funny there.
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