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Old 05-15-2018, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by flywest View Post
It can be frozen, but not taken away unless there's a bankruptcy. So take it away if it makes you feel better. You'll still have to work to pay mine and many other's who have accrued a large benefit. Instead of trying to be punitive, I'd think you might try to restore the plan for all. Good luck signed OG!
Exactly right. Everyone had a choice when the change was made. If you weren't on the property at the time, the Anglers made the choice for you.
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Old 05-15-2018, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPilot007 View Post
So what your saying is don't F&^$ one group for the benefit of another? Lets noodle on that for while.... PBS for VX = gone, massive loss of seniority for VX = gone, commutability for the VX pilots = gone, QOL for VX = gone, VX base closing = gone, transcon flying for VX = gone, uniform allowance for VX = gone, parking for VX = gone, 13 days off on RSV for VX = gone, premium pay over 80 hours for VX = gone. I'm sure I'm missing a dozen other items the VX pilots have gotten F*&^ on, but let's make sure we don't touch the defined benefits plan a handful of ALK pilots enjoy. Sounds fair to me
Wah, wah, wah. Call the Wahmbulance. Again, ALL the current AS pilots on the property at the time had to choose which retirement option they wanted.

If you weren't on the property at the time, you don't get a choice. And as far as VX goes, NONE of those "losses" is remotely similar or germane to a retirement discussion.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
Nope, just pointing out how ludicrous it is for one pilot group with no scope to try and call out another pilot group with no scope. The hypocrisy is amusing. Iíve said it before. Neither group has the high ground on this so why beat that drum? Instead, letís funnel that energy into fixing it for both groups coming up.
The AS contract does have scope...It protects the transfer of the flying of our current and ordered 737ís. Also, the fact that AS MUST merge the two airlines at all is a function of the AS contract.

So I think knock knock has a great point. Will someone quote the VX Scope language. Oh, and while you are at it, how about posting the Schedueling rules your old contract provides while you are at it.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AltoCumulus View Post
The AS contract does have scope...It protects the transfer of the flying of our current and ordered 737ís. Also, the fact that AS MUST merge the two airlines at all is a function of the AS contract.

So I think knock knock has a great point. Will someone quote the VX Scope language. Oh, and while you are at it, how about posting the Schedueling rules your old contract provides while you are at it.
Hey, if we're making comparisons, let's compare how many regional jets and props are flying for each of the airlines.

Virgin = 0
Alaska = 91

Also, let's compare apples to apples. How many years after the founding of McGee Airways did the pilot group get its first union sanctioned contract?

VX was on pace to have a contract in 9 years. Not too shabby. Sure do have a lot of windows over there, I wouldn't be throwing too many stones.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
Wah, wah, wah. Call the Wahmbulance. Again, ALL the current AS pilots on the property at the time had to choose which retirement option they wanted.

If you weren't on the property at the time, you don't get a choice. And as far as VX goes, NONE of those "losses" is remotely similar or germane to a retirement discussion.
You can make fun of all the VXers that are complaining about the smell, but at the end of the day you're the one who's wading in sh*t.

After seeing how bad the Alaska schedules are, I find it highly dubious that you're on "The 7th green." That is, unless you're bringing your clubs to work and playing on an overnight.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AltoCumulus View Post
Will someone quote the VX Scope language. Oh, and while you are at it, how about posting the Schedueling rules your old contract provides while you are at it.
You think you're slick, but you're not.

Go back and read Post #3238 a few pages back...
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:22 AM
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Any idea when the next window will open, and what is competitive?
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohlsan View Post
Any idea when the next window will open, and what is competitive?
Ha! I'm still waiting for the call that was coming four or five months ago after the meet & greet and before they panic stopped all interviewing and hiring.

What's competitive is whatever gets you called. Unless you're planning to add a bunch of P-51 time to your logbook, apply with what you have and wait like the rest of us who have been doing this for the last six or seven years. It costs you nothing but a few minutes - the Alaska application is mercifully short compared to the "break down your flight time 15 different ways" of the paid application services.
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Old 07-17-2018, 12:41 PM
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Ha! I'm still waiting for the call that was coming four or five months ago after the meet & greet and before they panic stopped all interviewing and hiring.

What's competitive is whatever gets you called. Unless you're planning to add a bunch of P-51 time to your logbook, apply with what you have and wait like the rest of us who have been doing this for the last six or seven years. It costs you nothing but a few minutes - the Alaska application is mercifully short compared to the "break down your flight time 15 different ways" of the paid application services.
Agreed, I was impressed with their application system last window, but it has been a while so I figured I would see if anyone had any idea for the next window, or any information on numbers for who got called on the last window. Thanks for the quick reply though
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:21 PM
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[QUOTE=Packrat;2594363]Exactly right. Everyone had a choice when the change was made. If you weren't on the property at the time, the Anglers made the choice for you.[/QUOTE
Back up.....We did this. Our negotiating commitee was lulled to sleep by Brad Tilden and brought a horrible devisive TA to a self-serving MEC that talked the LECís into putting out what turned into contract 09......It set in place the disaster that we call a contract. Long before the merger there was talk of freezing the remainder of the pension...
 
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