flywest

It can be frozen, but not taken away unless there's a bankruptcy. So take it away if it makes you feel better. You'll still have to work to pay mine and many other's who have accrued a large benefit. Instead of trying to be punitive, I'd think you might try to restore the plan for all. Good luck signed OG!

Bugaboo

I think your just trolling for a reaction so I will bite.
BS. Thats their deal. Leave that one alone. Enough guys have had that snatched away by airline suit n tie f&@ks (all the while lining their pockets) in the past. A pilot group should never consider doing that to their brothers.
Your probably not old enough to know better though.

PokerPilot007

So what your saying is don't F&^$ one group for the benefit of another? Lets noodle on that for while.... PBS for VX = gone, massive loss of seniority for VX = gone, commutability for the VX pilots = gone, QOL for VX = gone, VX base closing = gone, transcon flying for VX = gone, uniform allowance for VX = gone, parking for VX = gone, 13 days off on RSV for VX = gone, premium pay over 80 hours for VX = gone. I'm sure I'm missing a dozen other items the VX pilots have gotten F*&^ on, but let's make sure we don't touch the defined benefits plan a handful of ALK pilots enjoy. Sounds fair to me

Work4life

I too don't have a pension but you guys are real tools. Are you two for real? From my understanding, these guys lost just about everything with Kasher except the pension. Keep painting that bullseye on your backs and you won't be around to vote for contract 2020. Ungrateful bunch of whiners! All of us had to work hard to get to Alaska and reading stuff like this makes me sick. I understand that some of you bus guys didn't want to work for Alaska but were you really that naive to think that Virgin was going to be a career airline?

All Bizniz

Cheers my friend!

MusicPilot

Those with full pensions shouldn’t lose those. Those with the pension split should be able to opt out to the 401k side with their pension portion cashed out into the 401k. Those of us with the 401k should fight to get it improved. However, the Kasher award happened because someone thought it was a bright idea to put arbitration into a contract. That same clause will keep us from ever obtaining scope and job protections. 3 arbitrators already ruled in favor of the company on that topic.

As far as working hard to get to AS? I’m pretty sure not everyone worked hard to get to there. That’s the case for all airlines. Same with VX. As far as VX for a career? Yeah, many of us thought VX would be around for a long time. It was Branson’s vision for 1 world 1 airline. But money speaks louder than vision and here we are. For better or for worse. We all, and yes all of us, received substantial raises back in November. We all benefited from this whole process well before we could have. That needs to be understood by everyone.

What we need to do is take the horses back to the barn and all ride out at the same time in the same direction. No one side is better than the other. Big change has happened. We’re pilots and we’re gonna *****.

Ispeakjive

Moron........

Bugaboo

Like it or not all that was lost due to the CBA language that VX now falls under and Mgmt decisions....NOT due to decisions that the pilot group made.
Fair? Life aint fair buttercup....so suck it up.

NewGuy01

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Beta82

The point of my post wasn’t to start a s#%t slinging constest, it was just to say that a few bucks here or there doesn’t make a huge difference. There are large gains to be made in work rules.

I think the pension comment was in jest. Hence the smily face. Everyone needs to chill out.

As for the comment about this being a hiring thread. Alaska isn’t hiring until probably 2019 and if you are looking to move to a major airline for the rest of your career I would highly recommended considering somewhere else that has industry standard pay, job protections, and real work rules. Do your homework before you decide this is a great place to settle.