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Old 12-05-2018, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
"Fatigue mitigation rules" makes max 4-leg days.
Speaking of which, can any Boeing pilots give me a compelling reason to keep the L-AS pilot group imposed (NOT contractual) "5:51 rule?" Are we all on the same page that this limits productivity and contributes to the disastrous QOL on the Boeing side?
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Old 12-06-2018, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Speaking of which, can any Boeing pilots give me a compelling reason to keep the L-AS pilot group imposed (NOT contractual) "5:51 rule?" Are we all on the same page that this limits productivity and contributes to the disastrous QOL on the Boeing side?
Bacuse Union!

So basically it is all of our decision.

Also please keep in mind that the word “productivity” does not mean the same thing to the company as it means to the pilot group.

Boeing All The Way!!!!

Sorry, had to add that last part to fuel the fire.
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Old 12-06-2018, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
Bacuse Union!

So basically it is all of our decision.

Also please keep in mind that the word “productivity” does not mean the same thing to the company as it means to the pilot group.

Boeing All The Way!!!!

Sorry, had to add that last part to fuel the fire.
My god are you the perfect man for that company. TCM retired, Boeing in the family, anti-union...AS did very well with that hire.
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Old 12-06-2018, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
Bacuse Union!

So basically it is all of our decision.

Also please keep in mind that the word “productivity” does not mean the same thing to the company as it means to the pilot group.
True but it seems to me that in this case it's only how we choose to define it that matters since this asinine rule was imposed by the pilot group.

So what is stopping us from getting rid of it?
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Old 12-06-2018, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Speaking of which, can any Boeing pilots give me a compelling reason to keep the L-AS pilot group imposed (NOT contractual) "5:51 rule?" Are we all on the same page that this limits productivity and contributes to the disastrous QOL on the Boeing side?
It probably hasn't something to do with safety. By safety I mean that senior guys didn't want to do any more flying after getting back from Hawaii or Orlando so the union claimed it wasn't safe.

The quicker that the scheduling committee starts over with a blank sheet the better for all of us...
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Old 12-06-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lowflying
It probably hasn't something to do with safety. By safety I mean that senior guys didn't want to do any more flying after getting back from Hawaii or Orlando so the union claimed it wasn't safe.

The quicker that the scheduling committee starts over with a blank sheet the better for all of us...
Sounds about right, agreed 100%.

Also just gonna throw it out there, with PBS pilots could just bid for trips with a maximum of 5:51 block/day if that's what they want and let people who want more days off have the higher credit/day trips, negating the need for this rule that hoses everyone.
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Sounds about right, agreed 100%.

Also just gonna throw it out there, with PBS pilots could just bid for trips with a maximum of 5:51 block/day if that's what they want and let people who want more days off have the higher credit/day trips, negating the need for this rule that hoses everyone.
If you want this rule to go away you are going to have to push pretty hard from your side. I still can’t believe we have this stupid rule...
So one leg with 7hrs of duty and 5:51 of flight time you are to fatigued to continue but you are fine to slug away 4 legs through southeast with almost 11 hours of duty... genius
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Sounds about right, agreed 100%.

Also just gonna throw it out there, with PBS pilots could just bid for trips with a maximum of 5:51 block/day if that's what they want and let people who want more days off have the higher credit/day trips, negating the need for this rule that hoses everyone.
If we can get me 5 hours per vacation day like JetBlue has then I might consider voting for PBS.
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:46 PM
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JB has some decent stuff from the last contract.


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Old 12-06-2018, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitchen25
JB has some decent stuff from the last contract.


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They achieved more in their first contract than AS has is 85 years. That should tell you something. Like has been said before on this forum, the biggest threat to the Alaska pilots is the Alaska pilots. They just won’t stand up for themselves.
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