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Old 03-06-2019, 09:36 AM
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I truly don’t care what I fly.. 320, 737, 152, kite, parachute pants, fly fish.. just pay me the industry rate with a good contract and I’ll be content.

Yes it applies to those who fly on our airbuses. All I’m saying is Alaska’s customer base is generally more intellectually deficient than those who flew virgin and it is noticeable... the new clientele is a lot more southwestesque minus a few is points. To be expected with lower fares though.

Also, I do believe that anyone living in Washington St or Oregon would have a notion that boeing is superior to all other aircraft manufacturers purely based on them being built in their backyard. Average joe knows the phrase “if it ain’t boeing, I ain’t going.”

I do feel dumber after discussing this though. Hopefully uncle benjy has some sauce to feed me to get me feeling alright again
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Does this apply to those who prefer the Airbus to the Boeing? Are those folks morons from the trailer park too? Or is it only the ones that don’t fit your narrative that are clearly too dumb to fly? Also, you say a pax would have to be completely ignorant of aviation to say they prefer a 737 to a 320 but now say they are at least knowledgeable enough to form an opinion based on what they’ve heard about each aircraft? Seems like the MORE you say they know, the more opinionated they become against the 320 vs. the 737. I’m still of the mindset that 99% of the traveling public couldn’t tell the difference between most airplanes. It’s just very interesting that it would make you upset enough to attack a customer base as dumb because you hear something that goes against your bias. They’re both narrow body airplanes that pay the same bud. If we go all one fleet or the other, your paycheck ain’t gonna change. Uncle Ben will make it better though. He’s got enough love for everyone.
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Old 03-06-2019, 09:39 AM
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You are flat talkin outa your a$$.....Variations of that story have been floating around for a long time. You cheerleaders sure have a way about you....and that”I voted yes” button on your tie is lookin good.
That story is completely reasonable and has probably happened many times....most of our flying is out of Seattle. You know, the home of Boeing. A lot of people here have an emotional connection to Boeing because they and/or their families has lived off of Boeing wages for a generation or more. Some people still take a lot of pride from that and flying on an Airbus operated by an airline that used to be "Proudly all Boeing" probably would strike a nerve for them. It sounds like a reasonable story to me as I have heard it myself from passengers while deadheading.

I'm an Airbus guy and I would prefer to stay on it, as I think it's a much more comfortable place to earn the same hourly pay. But I will not stay on it if there is any cost to QOL outside of work. So, I will be one of the many that begrudgingly bids over to SEA 737 as soon as possible to avoid commuting.
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Old 03-06-2019, 10:01 AM
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That story is completely reasonable and has probably happened many times....most of our flying is out of Seattle. You know, the home of Boeing. A lot of people here have an emotional connection to Boeing because they and/or their families has lived off of Boeing wages for a generation or more. Some people still take a lot of pride from that and flying on an Airbus operated by an airline that used to be "Proudly all Boeing" probably would strike a nerve for them. It sounds like a reasonable story to me as I have heard it myself from passengers while deadheading.
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This is what it is. Experienced travelers with no personal connection to the Boeing community in SEA will almost invariably learn to prefer the bus over a 73 in equivalent cabin configuration.

But people from the SEA community are understandably spring-loaded on that. AS might legitimately consider that in making fleet decisions. Also need need to consider how much of their future customers will be non-SEA "west coast".
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Old 03-06-2019, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
This is what it is. Experienced travelers with no personal connection to the Boeing community in SEA will almost invariably learn to prefer the bus over a 73 in equivalent cabin configuration.

But people from the SEA community are understandably spring-loaded on that. AS might legitimately consider that in making fleet decisions. Also need need to consider how much of their future customers will be non-SEA "west coast".
Hate to break it to you, the decision has been made.
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Old 03-06-2019, 10:51 AM
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There was never a decision to be made to begin with. An airline that is afraid of change based in Boeing’s backyard.

All the posturing has been intelligent staged indecision to get better prices from Boeing.

Again, don’t care what I fly as long as we burn section 25 and rise up against the dear leaders in search of industry standard working conditions.
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Hate to break it to you, the decision has been made.
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Old 03-06-2019, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka View Post
I truly don’t care what I fly.. 320, 737, 152, kite, parachute pants, fly fish.. just pay me the industry rate with a good contract and I’ll be content.

Yes it applies to those who fly on our airbuses. All I’m saying is Alaska’s customer base is generally more intellectually deficient than those who flew virgin and it is noticeable... the new clientele is a lot more southwestesque minus a few is points. To be expected with lower fares though.

Also, I do believe that anyone living in Washington St or Oregon would have a notion that boeing is superior to all other aircraft manufacturers purely based on them being built in their backyard. Average joe knows the phrase “if it ain’t boeing, I ain’t going.”

I do feel dumber after discussing this though. Hopefully uncle benjy has some sauce to feed me to get me feeling alright again
So you’re saying VX charged MORE for their services and didn’t undercut ticket prices? You’re also infering these higher ticket prices attracted a more intelligent customers base? So intelligence is now linked to how much someone spends on a ticket? Well, yeah, everyone knows the really smart people pay more for the same thing...duh. Too bad those MENSA members you guys were flying around couldn’t put their giant brains together and figure out a way for VX to generate a profit. Maybe that would have kept you in business longer than 10 yrs. Guess it doesn’t pay the bills to focus only on the genius class. Silver lining here is you need not worry, you’re not any dumber than you were before for discussing this. It sounds like that bar was set a loooong time ago.
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Old 03-06-2019, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000 View Post
Hate to break it to you, the decision has been made.
What's the latest timeline on bases? I'm assuming they need a SFO 737 base eventually if the 320 is indeed leaving.

Also what is preventing them at this point from just coming out and saying their decision?
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Old 03-06-2019, 12:15 PM
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Ah the old VX never made a profit slight. Go check the facts on that one bud.

Yes, I am stupid, I am still working for Alaskan Airways- total idiot move for sure.

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So you’re saying VX charged MORE for their services and didn’t undercut ticket prices? You’re also infering these higher ticket prices attracted a more intelligent customers base? So intelligence is now linked to how much someone spends on a ticket? Well, yeah, everyone knows the really smart people pay more for the same thing...duh. Too bad those MENSA members you guys were flying around couldn’t put their giant brains together and figure out a way for VX to generate a profit. Maybe that would have kept you in business longer than 10 yrs. Guess it doesn’t pay the bills to focus only on the genius class. Silver lining here is you need not worry, you’re not any dumber than you were before for discussing this. It sounds like that bar was set a loooong time ago.
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Old 03-06-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyKing466 View Post
What's the latest timeline on bases? I'm assuming they need a SFO 737 base eventually if the 320 is indeed leaving.

Also what is preventing them at this point from just coming out and saying their decision?
Honestly, there is some talk of eventually closing SFO. There are some savings to be garnered by having fewer bases. That being said, I think it is slightly more likely to remain open and begin to transition 3-4 years from now.

Taking on a significant amount of debt will have an impact on stock price. You have to announce something like that when you have proven your equation correct. Simple enough?
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Old 03-06-2019, 12:56 PM
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Ah the old VX never made a profit slight. Go check the facts on that one bud.

Yes, I am stupid, I am still working for Alaskan Airways- total idiot move for sure.
How many yrs between 2006 and 2016 was VX profitable? That’s 10 long years of kicking a**! 10 years of flying the best and brightest of the traveling public! That’s a company that’s sure to succeed. Let me know how that turns out. I see great things in your future.
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