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Old 03-06-2019, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyKing466 View Post

Also what is preventing them at this point from just coming out and saying their decision?
They need data to make their case. The board and shareholders will not accept "all my relatives work at boeing" as the rationale for scrapping an entire fleet that they just paid $4B for.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000 View Post
Hate to break it to you, the decision has been made.

Yeh, for sure the decision was made long ago. All you have to do is look at the new bus interiors. Totally Boeing seats put into the bus until they can get new 737s. Then just put the seats in the new plane and wala, big savings.



BTW, the new interiors look like a cheap suit. Complete junk, uncomfortable and seats barely wide enough to put grandma in them. Just my opinion.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
They need data to make their case. The board and shareholders will not accept "all my relatives work at boeing" as the rationale for scrapping an entire fleet that they just paid $4B for.
This is not true
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Old 03-06-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000 View Post
This is not true
It is in the real business world.

If the board is in managements pocket, then maybe you can get away with some things.

But activist shareholders, if one happens to be so burdened, can seize on something like this and make a lot of hay. Then the board might have to sacrifice an executive.
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000 View Post
Honestly, there is some talk of eventually closing SFO. There are some savings to be garnered by having fewer bases.
Imagine the cost savings if we don't operate at all! All that savings in fuel -- just think about it!

Crazy to think that the Retreat to Zero plan is still in effect.
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Old 03-07-2019, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
I had an interesting experience the other night while flying our only red nosed Boeing in the fleet. During boarding, the A flight attendant had to reassure multiple pax that it was a Boeing a/c and not an Airbus. At least 5 different times, pax started complaining as soon as they saw the red paint. For whatever reason they associated the red fuselage with the red lettering on the old VX Airbusí and were not happy about it. This kinda throws a wrench into the argument that pax prefer the Airbus to the Boeing.
Every pilot at my airline, including myself, all prefer deadheading on small airbus vs 737. If everything else is about equal, here is my booking preference for single-aisle:
A220
ERJ-170/190
757
A319/32X
ERJ-195
737
CRJ 7/9
CRJ
Small ERJ
And, if I'm on a short flight, I would rather fly a CRJ7/9 than a 737...
I like Alaskan, overall, but now try and avoid them, because of the 737, and it seems that they are almost no different than any other carrier.
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Old 03-07-2019, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
So youíre saying VX charged MORE for their services and didnít undercut ticket prices? Youíre also infering these higher ticket prices attracted a more intelligent customers base? So intelligence is now linked to how much someone spends on a ticket? Well, yeah, everyone knows the really smart people pay more for the same thing...duh. Too bad those MENSA members you guys were flying around couldnít put their giant brains together and figure out a way for VX to generate a profit. Maybe that would have kept you in business longer than 10 yrs. Guess it doesnít pay the bills to focus only on the genius class. Silver lining here is you need not worry, youíre not any dumber than you were before for discussing this. It sounds like that bar was set a loooong time ago.
Some people book the cheapest flights. Other people look at a number of factors, including: Price, schedule, service, aircraft type, seat layout, airports in the itinerary, safety of the airline, etc., etc. It takes less effort and less analyzing to just book the cheapest ticket.
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Old 03-07-2019, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
Before this I haven't ever heard any pax complain about riding on an Airbus vs. a Boeing. I've always been under the impression the average pax couldn't tell a 737 from a 152. 2). There is this dumb debate that all pax love the Airbus more than the 737. Apparently these folks did not.
Here's a thought that will make you spit the Kool-Aid right out of your mouth:

You've never heard a passenger complain about a 737 at Alaska Airlines, because passengers who don't like flying on 737s ... don't fly on Alaska.

There's a whole market of discriminating passengers that will avoid a guppy, an RJ, a 5am departure, or First Class seat on a 6 hour transcon without a foot rest. And you'll never meet a single one.

So your observations about an uncaring traveler might be true, but you're not seeing the whole market.
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Old 03-07-2019, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock View Post
How many yrs between 2006 and 2016 was VX profitable? Thatís 10 long years of kicking a**! 10 years of flying the best and brightest of the traveling public! Thatís a company thatís sure to succeed. Let me know how that turns out. I see great things in your future.
I'm not saying we didn't have our struggles, but it's not unusual for start-ups to not be profitable for a few years... sometime many years. It all depends on the business/exit strategy. Cash flow/paying your creditors is sometimes all that's important in the beginning.

In VX's case, we were a privately held company for the first few years. During that time, the investors were making money hand over fist (20% return I think, in the super low interest rate environment of 2008 onwards) while VX showed a "loss" on the books.

Creative corporate accounting is used all the time by smart business leaders in pursuit of a larger strategic business objective.

I don't know if this was one of VX management's exit strategy, but we clearly saw them pivot to fattening the pig (solid profits in the books) and then quickly selling us off for a princely sum to the highest bidder.

And the rest is history...

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Originally Posted by WutFace View Post
Here's a thought that will make you spit the Kool-Aid right out of your mouth:

You've never heard a passenger complain about a 737 at Alaska Airlines, because passengers who don't like flying on 737s ... don't fly on Alaska.

There's a whole market of discriminating passengers that will avoid a guppy, an RJ, a 5am departure, or First Class seat on a 6 hour transcon without a foot rest. And you'll never meet a single one.

So your observations about an uncaring traveler might be true, but you're not seeing the whole market.
What’s with you guys turning an observation I made into towing the company line? It’s always your first line of attack. You guys have rendered that statement toothless from over use. I shared something that happened while boarding that stuck out because I haven’t ever heard pax complain about the plane they’re on, (non RJ), before. It’s funny that I am the one accused of drinking the kool aid but you’re so indoctrinated into old VX and the Airbus that if you hear something to contradict your warm fuzzy, you immediately attack the person as a kool aid drinking company tool. Insecure much? Here’s something for you to chew on champ. Not my first airline and I commuted for 10 years on many different airlines on many different airplanes. Never before had I heard anyone complain about riding on a 737 or A320 let alone compare the two and side with one over the other. You’re telling me 10 years worth of traveling public strategically picked their plane so they would have the best airplane ride of their life? This super pro VX and super pro Airbus B.S. may just be construed as “drinking the kool aid”. Sorry your source has been cut off. You’re gonna have to get your fix elsewhere.

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