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pilot207 , 11-21-2016 11:23 AM

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According to the news we should see the DOJ finally giving the stamp of approval for the merger. Hopefully this means we can speed up negotiations and start new hire classes again (stagnant since June at VX , and we run paper thin on pilots)
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#152

ShyGuy , 11-21-2016 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Have you considered they just are simply not going to sign anything until the DOJ part is done. Why agree to terms on anything until the deal is done? Anything they agree to now could be used against them when section 6 opens if the deal fall through.

I know pilots love to think we are the center of the universe, but there are a lot of moving parts. As simple example it could be that they need to know where the codeshare and JV provisions of the DOJ settlement shake out before they agree to what sections of scope they want to talk about.

That's just one example. Save the hyperbole gloves off yada yada yada for now. I think it is a safe bet that as soon as the DOJ signs off the TPA will be done and all the hand wringing chicken little talk will be for naught.

We will see.

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Originally Posted by FLowpayFO

Excellent point of view.

Union updates said the actions are borderline bad faith in regards to scope section for the TPA, and we have pilots here saying the above.

Wow

#153

OCCP , 11-21-2016 12:24 PM

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AKpilot,

I'm not a fan of any airline management. I've been around long enough to see every single airline rob their employees. I simply desire a career with upward movement, qol, and money. Right now I have the QOL but that could go way if we get some old fashioned line bidding.

#154

Mea25000 , 11-21-2016 01:24 PM

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Well if PBS affords you your QOL, I am almost positive you are going to be unhappy. Hiring at VX... from everything I have heard the bus is going to shrink with the almost immediate removal of all 319 and a couple 320's... verdict is still out on the 321. If the group turns a cold shoulder to the NEO, which at this point I would put at likely, you will most likely see minimal to zero hires on the bus. It maybe time to start studying for the 73 transition.

#155

CassinAK , 11-21-2016 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AKpilot

""The air group is the most profitable passenger airline in the U.S. They have been making record profits on our backs for the last 8+ years. They make 20%+ profit compared to single digits by the big boys and low 10s by some of the more successful major airlines. The legacies make their profit on volume but ounce for ounce, the air group is a powerhouse. According to Mr. Tilden, company’s earnings per share are expected to outperform all but 36 companies in the S&P 500. The air group's net profit in 2015 was $842 million. Just to give you an idea, the air group's 2016 first quarter net profit was $184 million-another record! As we all know, the first quarter is the slowest season.""

So please answer which airline management do you like? Which airline has a better management team? The management we have now is not the same as we had 10-15 years ago. It's a different airline. Different environment. Our current contract is not up till 2018. They could have just stuck to that date. While I'm not happy with the progress of the TPA etc. I think they have their hands full with the VX merger. From what I have heard from ALPA communications the Management side of the negotiation team are amateurs. I support the "NO concessions and industry leading pay" mantra. Most of the people I fly with are very happy at AS but ARE expecting a BIG pay bump.

The Airline industry is doing better now than has in the past decades. AS has been hiring pilots and FA's. New pilots are spending less than a year on reserve. If you are not happy now you will never be happy. With all the airlines hiring you should bail to the one you think is best.

They couldn't stick to the 2018 contract date because a merger triggers the Labor Protective Provisions of our contract that requires a JCBA and SLI. Management isn't negotiating a new contract because they want to its because our contract requires it.

#156

AKpilot , 11-21-2016 02:12 PM

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"""They couldn't stick to the 2018 contract date because a merger triggers the Labor Protective Provisions of our contract that requires a JCBA and SLI. Management isn't negotiating a new contract because they want to its because our contract requires it."""

I did not know that... Maybe it's time to do something to get their (mgt) attention. I don't think lanyards, buttons and stickers do much. Maybe Info Picketing, Big Billboard ? I still think the merger is consuming their attention. I hope they will show some positive trends soon.

#157

CassinAK , 11-21-2016 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AKpilot

I'd imagine some informational picketing after DOJ approval of the merger would add some pressure.. Mgt wouldn't like us dirtying up their image of the "Perfect" merger.

#158

Ispeakjive , 11-21-2016 10:28 PM

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The Union language is vague. Aside from telling us that "management is acting in bad faith", what is really happening?

#159

mike734 , 11-22-2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ispeakjive

The Union language is vague. Aside from telling us that "management is acting in bad faith", what is really happening?

I think the bottom line is nothing is happening. Not to be flip but I'm not getting excited about this until the DOJ rules on the merger.

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Arctichicken , 11-25-2016 01:05 PM

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Stockholm Syndrome! Yes, some of you have it. Making excuses on behalf of management, seriously?! They are completely dissing this pilot group and you don't even know it. Wise up, people!