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03-03-2025 | 03:00 PM

#2651

BroncoFtbl

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Originally Posted by captnate702

Rumor mill is that Frontier management told the union they are looking for work rules and benefits “that do not increase costs.”

A year ago I would have told you that Allegiant and Frontier are apples to oranges financially… today? Not so much. Each day we wait is a step closer to “cost neutral”.

03-03-2025 | 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tom11011

Maybe you will raise your hand in the next monthly zoom meeting and ask the hard questions? I see a lot of opinions, but when the opportunity presents itself to ask the leadership directly, nobody does so.

Just because I don’t raise my hand in a meeting doesn’t mean I’m not constantly calling them out on their bs

03-05-2025 | 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by captnate702

Rumor mill is that Frontier management told the union they are looking for work rules and benefits “that do not increase costs.”

Isn't that how every company ideally works? Surpress rising costs? When you negotiate start with your low/high ball offer. Work your way to some sort of middle.

God knows what was really said. Or the context. The NDAs keep everyone’s lips from uttering the truth.

03-11-2025 | 12:09 PM

#2654

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All those people that said 2026 contract…. sorry I ever doubted you.

03-11-2025 | 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy8

All those people that said 2026 contract…. sorry I ever doubted you.

At this point those people are looking like they were way too optimistic. 2029 is a more realistic timeframe.

03-11-2025 | 01:20 PM

#2656

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Originally Posted by canuckian

At this point those people are looking like they were way too optimistic. 2029 is a more realistic timeframe.

God I hope not but who knows with toonsters leading the way. It’s criminal what the company and toonsters have been doing to us.

03-11-2025 | 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy8

All those people that said 2026 contract…. sorry I ever doubted you.

(me taking victory lap…)

it was always gonna be at least 5-6 years for a contract. We are coming up on 4 years of negotiations.

03-11-2025 | 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by captnate702

(me taking victory lap…)

it was always gonna be at least 5-6 years for a contract. We are coming up on 4 years of negotiations.

…and a big Thank You to IBT for negotiating an industry leading contract before the economic downturn. Nice job.

03-12-2025 | 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SloNLow

…and a big Thank You to IBT for negotiating an industry leading contract before the economic downturn. Nice job.

the IBT is so stupid. They really don’t believe in the basic principle: time value of money.

JR is top of list for being egomaniac politician that just wants to get fat on our dues and never touch an airplane again. Still can’t believe he’s betrayed this pilot group. He had a chance to unite, instead he stabbed us in the back and our 401ks and wallets will feel that knife in our back for decades.

03-12-2025 | 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by captnate702

We definitely got played, missed one complete industry contract cycle, now maybe sailing toward rough waters economically. And Maury doesn't have a fleet of cheap paid-for MD-80's like 08-09.

A really smart guy I know, been here forever, said a year ago we would one day wish we'd just taken the FedEx mailer offer from 2+ years ago; we all laughed.....