Originally Posted by cheers1977

There was another engine shut down in FAT yesterday.

Originally Posted by AZbound

'Superior QOL & paycheck'?? What airline do you work for? The paycheck may be peanuts higher, but certainly not the QOL. Anyone would be way better off staying at 'said' regional (although this guy said he is in the Desert).

Originally Posted by disco inferno

I am sure my job is secure here until a legacy calls.

Originally Posted by disco inferno

Speak for yourself. I went from commuting to a dying regional and sleeping in a crashpad 5 days a week, to living in base and have yet to do a single overnight. I have no regrets in coming here.

There is much validity to the complaints about Allegiant. The training flat out sucks. You better be good at self study. The up side is I made it through with no extra sims or checkride busts. I usually only get 11 days off a month and frequently only get one or two days off between a 5 or 6 day block of flying. The pay for the equipment we fly sucks horribly. We deserve way more than we get, yet management seems hellbent on making sure that never happens. Our management is openly disrespectful to our pilots. Following recent court decisions, our management has been flat out childish in rubbing it in our faces. I have never seen anything like it before.

With all that said, I am like others looking to get on at a legacy. Maybe it will happen and maybe it won't. No matter what happens, this is no FFD airline. We won't lose all of our flying as soon as our planes become outdated and our CPA is up for renewal. No regional can make that claim. I am sure my job is secure here until a legacy calls. If that never happens, I still consider myself to being in a better place than my previous job. The highest pad regional captain will never come close to what you can make here. Sadly though, management has done a fine job the last few months convincing me this is just a stepping stone job. As sad as that may be, you're better off here than any regional.

Originally Posted by fishforfun

Thank you for speaking up and speaking truth. Those making the argument that you are better off staying at a dead-end regional lose all credibility when they say that. If that is the case, then they should leave for the better regional that they are advocating for in lieu of coming to/staying at Allegiant. There is no argument that until Allegiant pays much better and sorts out the rest of the contract issues it will be nothing more than a stepping stone to companies that can be considered long term career options.

To address those that say go somewhere else, do you think this was a first choice for anyone? I have put out well over 50 applications to part 121, 135, 91 companies, attended job fairs and other than the so called better regionals I had received no calls until Allegiant called. And on the day I was at the interview I received 3 more interview offers but none were any better than Allegiant. Those that are joining the ranks are not the enemy, please do not forget that.

Originally Posted by G4Troop

Let me start by declaring, I am not a union official of any kind. This is my opinion as a lone line pilot at g4. From where I sit, the pulse of our pilot group is thus:

Don't be surprised if you're NOT welcome.

New hires are not seen as helping the cause so don't be surprised by a cold shoulder from many. Pilots, even senior captains, are leaving in record numbers due to deplorable treatment and working conditions. Thanks to recent court rulings and a powerless FAA, the company is proudly boasting it's ability to expand without constraints or obligations to follow its own work rules. If things were bad before, they are much worse now.

With a steady supply of eager applicants, the company sees no need to negotiate and will try to drag negotiations out for years. You are NOT helping by coming here. The company celebrates the departure of our senior pilots as they welcome a fresh batch of willing, cheaper replacements happy to do the company's bidding without the protections of a union contract. Fresh off its legal victories, management is emboldened and determined to rid itself of unions altogether. Thanks to management's tactics two of the three unions are already on the ropes and the pilot group appears to be the next target on their list. Much of their success in defeating the Flight Attendants and replacing them with fresh new ones. You are the new ones in this case.

Clearly this is also the plan with the pilots and new applicants are essential to management's plan: to position itself as a niche between the regional sector and the majors. They are not interested in career employees, just those willing to come and punch their ticket get some experience and move on. Regional 2.0. Training cost are seen as negligible because here so little is spent on training. By coming here you are agreeing to work at a place that has no work rules and will do whatever's necessary to avoid having them. Allegiant is attempting to permanently alter the profession through it's attack on quality of life and standard of living. Coming here now, you will only be enabling the demise of our profession and risking your certificate through shoddy training, minimal support and poorly maintained airplanes.

Our pilots are in the struggle of their careers trying to hold the line against an Anti-Union company he11-bent on profits, unrestrained by government agencies, common sense or safety. Coming to Allegiant during our time of strife just helps them with their agenda. Think twice about coming here till after a contract is signed, otherwise you might find a cold welcome..

Troop..

Originally Posted by G4er

Your right. Technically he/she didn't use the word "enemy"