It appears lately that most NHs are going into the Airbus. There are still occasional slots to fill vacancies in the 80 & 757. After 10 years of CRJ glass, the 80 wasn't THAT bad to get into Once again, in class, seniority goes by age; so if there's a split in fleet assignments, you bid on seniority.

 

If you're older than 40, you can pretty much be assured that you'll get an AB. The way it stands now, only the older guys who want to upgrade in 6 months are looking at the 80. We had at least 3 people in the last new hire class that really wanted the 80 for that reason. They aren't getting rid of the 80 any time soon and the 80 bases are all transitioning to the AB in some way right now, except for LAS/SFB. Ergo, movement will be swift...

 

I would plan on the worst since you never know. Your reasons for fearing the 80 are probably misplaced because the transition from glass isn't that bad (it has a moving map). What you should fear about the 80 is the reliability and bargain basement maintenance done on them. As a new guy, you'll be the reserve guy picking up the pieces: rescue flights, test flights, re-positions, and so forth. Abusive and fatiguing, full of frustration and risk, it has driven many of our guys to leave G4. Google Allegiant news and realize they're only getting some of the incidents. When you're done, Google Valujet.

Go work for an actual airline, not a 'Travel company". JB, Virgin, Spirit. are all Airbus companies managed by airline professionals, not accountants, people who know the business and aren't at war with their employees. G4 is a get-rich scheme that's here to benefit only a select few at the cost and risk of everything. Most profitable "airline" because it won't invest in infrastructure or employees. $180 million was paid out to investors last year while refusing to invest in the operation or employees. The results are bad and getting much worse. You sound well qualified and there are plenty of jobs out there, choose carefully as it may be your last. Best of luck with your decision.

 

Sound advice! Listen to him. Everything written above is true. It won't change with a contract, however. It will only change after a leadership flush or, heaven forbid, an accident with loss of life.

 

Yes by all means; decide which one of those other carriers works for you & call 'em up and put yourself in the next class....

 

Sarcasm aside, yes, I would advise to apply elsewhere and wait for a reputable airline to call. Obviously they're hiring because our guys have left to go work there. If senior people are leaving for the very same places this guy is qualified to work, what should that tell him?

 

Every situation is different but you've maybe got a guy in the right seat of a regional & you're telling him keep commuting to that EWR crashpad 6 leg days food stamp wages. I know this contradicts the party line on here but fact is you can come to Allegiant make choices to get off the bottom ASAP & have a superior QOL & paycheck while you wait for the call.

Which may or may not ever come.

 

Our management isn’t interested in cultivating a career type airline. Our ceo hates pilots with a passion. This attitude permeates throughout the company from the top down. Your first taste of this reality will be when you have a need outside of any scheduled training and/or work assignment. He is trying to lower the bar for work rules, compensation and retirement. It is his life’s mission to leave g4 with the lowest paid most over worked pilots of the industry.

Do yourself a favor, concentrate your efforts elsewhere. Ten plus year senior captains walking out the door to start over, should be your answer. How many captains from Spirit, with same relative seniority resign to go to SWA?

 

Just answering his post man. He stated he was an Airbus guy based in the Middle East.

 

'Superior QOL & paycheck'?? What airline do you work for? The paycheck may be peanuts higher, but certainly not the QOL. Anyone would be way better off staying at 'said' regional (although this guy said he is in the Desert).

And speaking of ASAP, if you do decide to walk into this nightmare of an "operation", make sure you familiarize yourself with the ASAP program. You'll be using it.