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Old 01-27-2016 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Might be an attempt to restart after the departure of Steve. But I'm not optimistic because Maury made his view about he union and getting a contract with them very clear.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Make no mistake, guys, Maury is in no way wearing down or giving in. You're not talking about a guy that "sees the light" or even perceives compromise on a contract as anything but defeat.
We're talking about a guy that's Jekyll & Hyde over the thought of a contract with his pilots, and will go to great lengths to see that never happens.
He did it with the dispatchers and he's almost done it with the flight attendants, and he will not rest until a pilot contract is nothing more than a dream that we give up on.
Nothing and I mean nothing is going to change until we get released to strike.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LavStink
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Make no mistake, guys, Maury is in no way wearing down or giving in. You're not talking about a guy that "sees the light" or even perceives compromise on a contract as anything but defeat.
We're talking about a guy that's Jekyll & Hyde over the thought of a contract with his pilots, and will go to great lengths to see that never happens.
He did it with the dispatchers and he's almost done it with the flight attendants, and he will not rest until a pilot contract is nothing more than a dream that we give up on.
Nothing and I mean nothing is going to change until we get released to strike.
Maury needs to go before he runs this company into the ground. His penny pinching will be the demise of one of our planes and this company. I hope the board has finally seen the light and is putting pressure on MG. My hope is that he decides to retire or is forced out soon. Allegiant has potential to be a great company, but not with this cheap pr**k at the helm. I agree with your assessment of MG. I think he is too arrogant to ever do whats best for the company. To him it's all about getting his way and making a couple of extra pennies per share.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
Maury needs to go before he runs this company into the ground. His penny pinching will be the demise of one of our planes and this company. I hope the board has finally seen the light and is putting pressure on MG. My hope is that he decides to retire or is forced out soon. Allegiant has potential to be a great company, but not with this cheap pr**k at the helm. I agree with your assessment of MG. I think he is too arrogant to ever do whats best for the company. To him it's all about getting his way and making a couple of extra pennies per share.
Fixing maintenance and agreeing to a pilot contract are not one in the same. They can easily fix maintenance issues if they want and still not agree to a pilot contract. Don't intermingle the two.

Secondly, you are not entitled to anything. I hope you do go out on strike and negotiate something good for yourselves, but you are not entitled to anything. Your pilot group should consider dropping Teamsters and going unrepresented. Then, that way, you can have the big strike or walk out or whatever you want to call it unscathed by the chains of the RLA. No union=nobody to sue in a work action.

Don't confuse union with a contract. The company needs you to have a union, its their free police department to keep you in line. What they don't need is for you to have a contract that rains on their cash parade.

PS - "making a couple of extra pennies per share" is every American's right. You should be so lucky to live in a country where this can happen. Don't get me wrong, I feel for you not being able to have what Delta, United, and American has. But you are not entitled to it. It would be far easier and quicker to just go to work there right now and have everything you want.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Fixing maintenance and agreeing to a pilot contract are not one in the same. They can easily fix maintenance issues if they want and still not agree to a pilot contract. Don't intermingle the two.

Secondly, you are not entitled to anything. I hope you do go out on strike and negotiate something good for yourselves, but you are not entitled to anything. Your pilot group should consider dropping Teamsters and going unrepresented. Then, that way, you can have the big strike or walk out or whatever you want to call it unscathed by the chains of the RLA. No union=nobody to sue in a work action.

Don't confuse union with a contract. The company needs you to have a union, its their free police department to keep you in line. What they don't need is for you to have a contract that rains on their cash parade.

PS - "making a couple of extra pennies per share" is every American's right. You should be so lucky to live in a country where this can happen. Don't get me wrong, I feel for you not being able to have what Delta, United, and American has. But you are not entitled to it. It would be far easier and quicker to just go to work there right now and have everything you want.
The only comments in your post that have anything to do with what I stated is the comment about "making a few extra pennies per share". I'm a capitalist. I'm all for making as much money as you can. My problem is with Allegiant sacrificing safety to do it.

The rest of what you said makes no sense in regards to anything I've said.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
The only comments in your post that have anything to do with what I stated is the comment about "making a few extra pennies per share". I'm a capitalist. I'm all for making as much money as you can. My problem is with Allegiant sacrificing safety to do it.

The rest of what you said makes no sense in regards to anything I've said.
Don't be silly. Much of your comments as well as LavStink's smacks of entitlement which is pure Hillary. You don't deserve anything. Allegiant doesn't have to do anything to please you. Again, don't misunderstand, I hope you guys do go on strike and get a windfall. There is a shortage of pilots, there will be a bigger shortage of pilots in the future. That scarcity can hopefully drive big bucks for the pilots.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Fixing maintenance and agreeing to a pilot contract are not one in the same. They can easily fix maintenance issues if they want and still not agree to a pilot contract. Don't intermingle the two.

Secondly, you are not entitled to anything. I hope you do go out on strike and negotiate something good for yourselves, but you are not entitled to anything. Your pilot group should consider dropping Teamsters and going unrepresented. Then, that way, you can have the big strike or walk out or whatever you want to call it unscathed by the chains of the RLA. No union=nobody to sue in a work action.

Don't confuse union with a contract. The company needs you to have a union, its their free police department to keep you in line. What they don't need is for you to have a contract that rains on their cash parade.

PS - "making a couple of extra pennies per share" is every American's right. You should be so lucky to live in a country where this can happen. Don't get me wrong, I feel for you not being able to have what Delta, United, and American has. But you are not entitled to it. It would be far easier and quicker to just go to work there right now and have everything you want.
I don't hear anyone running around stating that we are "entitled" to anything. I do see a pilot group working hard and picking up a lot of slack in the day-to-day operation. Also, I do think the Allegiant Pilots are under paid compared to their peers and do deserve a solid contract / work rules / pay.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by INXS
I don't hear anyone running around stating that we are "entitled" to anything. I do see a pilot group working hard and picking up a lot of slack in the day-to-day operation. Also, I do think the Allegiant Pilots are under paid compared to their peers and do deserve a solid contract / work rules / pay.
It has nothing to do with working hard. Walmart and McDonalds employees work hard too.

It has nothing at all to do with what you deserve, its about what you negotiate.

You deserve nothing. You are entitled to nothing. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass

Your pilot group should consider dropping Teamsters and going unrepresented. Then, that way, you can have the big strike or walk out or whatever you want to call it unscathed by the chains of the RLA. No union=nobody to sue in a work action.

Don't confuse union with a contract.
I am confused, with no union there is no RLA or 30 day cooling off...?
Drop the union then the next day you can forget the RLA...
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Old 01-27-2016 | 01:44 PM
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No union, no protection.
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Old 01-27-2016 | 05:09 PM
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Can someone post the highlights from today's investor call?

Thanks
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