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10-25-2017 | 02:17 PM
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Pre-bankruptcy, AE's aircraft were listed as owned by AE. Our contract specified that those aircraft must be owned by AE, and that we would operate them. The company decided to transfer ownership of the aircraft to AA, and ALPA filed a grievance. As part of the grievance settlement, a flow through agreement was established for all pilots on property as of the date of signing (OCT of '11) that didn't already have AA numbers or would be included in the 824 grievance settlement. The agreement refers to them as "protected pilots."
10-25-2017 | 02:24 PM
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With SMP starting in January, I'm thinking many will leave earlier now that they have medical insurance to carry them to 65 until medicare kicks in.
10-25-2017 | 02:33 PM
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Ran the info through a google his wife runs a roofing business out of their house in GA. I think she was a model a LONG time ago.
I honestly wasn’t aware someone could BS that much and do it so eloquently...
10-25-2017 | 03:07 PM
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A further modification of the protected pilot agreement occurred with the signing of the second bankruptcy contract. Upon delivery of the 40th E-175 to envoy (which we have received now) the flow for the protected pilot group goes up to 50% of AA new hire classes, meterable to 25. (I'm not going to include the exact text, but that's the gist.) So, the contractual flow rate for envoy during the protected pilot group does actually take AA class size into consideration. That's all I was pointing out. Unfortunately, the company has chosen to go with the minimum they think they can get away with, and not the spirit and intent of the agreement.
10-25-2017 | 06:51 PM
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That's not quite correct. The "protected pilot" flow at envoy that was the result of a grievance settlement is *supposed* to give us 50% of new hire class slots at AA for everyone still here that was hired before OCT of '11. However, the company has chosen to take the minimum metering of 25/mo as the target instead, which the union is grieving (for all the good it will do.) We should flow 450 from envoy next year, but my guess is it will end up being 300 despite the contract language. Just another broken promise.
10-25-2017 | 06:53 PM
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In other words, if AA hires more than 600 pilots per year (50 per month) the max of 25 per month (300 per year) is reached.
All the caveats apply about any month without a class will decrease the 300 per year by 25, etc., etc.
10-26-2017 | 12:45 AM
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She looks younger than him, but the VS supermodel, G5 and the partying claims? I don’t think he’s got that much Zip in his step.
10-26-2017 | 09:50 AM
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It's not the lesser of the two. The language states 50% of the new hire classes at AA will be flow through from Envoy. However, Envoy management can restrict that to 25 if they claim the 50% would cause operational difficulty. Envoy hired over 100 pilots last month alone but we still metered to 25. Operational difficulty is very subjective.
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