View Poll Results: Will AA declare bankruptcy?
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01-27-2022 | 07:34 PM
#842
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
Current.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-fleet-2021/
Anybody can order as many more as they like and have the money to pay for from the manufacturers I suppose.
Except for Emirates. Airbus and they are apparently in a pi$$ing contest currently.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-fleet-2021/
Anybody can order as many more as they like and have the money to pay for from the manufacturers I suppose.
Except for Emirates. Airbus and they are apparently in a pi$$ing contest currently.
01-27-2022 | 08:41 PM
#843
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Current.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-fleet-2021/
Anybody can order as many more as they like and have the money to pay for from the manufacturers I suppose.
Except for Emirates. Airbus and they are apparently in a pi$$ing contest currently.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-fleet-2021/
Anybody can order as many more as they like and have the money to pay for from the manufacturers I suppose.
Except for Emirates. Airbus and they are apparently in a pi$$ing contest currently.
01-27-2022 | 08:50 PM
#844
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AA has the newest fleet in a time of massive supply chain disruptions and rapidly rising costs of acquiring new aircraft. Those that are ordering new aircraft now will likely see much higher costs and slower delivery times.
AA is in a great position right now in terms of aircraft, significantly better than most any other airline.
AA is in a great position right now in terms of aircraft, significantly better than most any other airline.
01-27-2022 | 09:10 PM
#845
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
AA has the newest fleet in a time of massive supply chain disruptions and rapidly rising costs of acquiring new aircraft. Those that are ordering new aircraft now will likely see much higher costs and slower delivery times.
AA is in a great position right now in terms of aircraft, significantly better than most any other airline.
AA is in a great position right now in terms of aircraft, significantly better than most any other airline.
As a concept, yes, they have the right equipment. It's just a race against time right now if they start making money before their money runs out. They have a year using 2021 numbers. I personally think they can pull it off, but it will be a rough ride for shareholders. They won't produce any value to them for a decade. They are so badly upside down right now. Delta can renew their whole narrowbody fleet tomorrow, and still have positive shareholder equity. AA is what, 7 billion, in the red.
01-27-2022 | 09:29 PM
#847
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The POINT if you read the post that mine was responding to was about fuel economy. The pister had indicated the fuel economy of the NEO and I wholeheartedly agree that the NEO and MAX will improve fuel economy. But AS OF YET (ie., currently) those more highly efficient versions are a relatively small percentage of the CURRENT AA NB fleet.
01-27-2022 | 09:48 PM
#848
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From: guppy CA
Only if they can float the finance until they actually start making profit.
As a concept, yes, they have the right equipment. It's just a race against time right now if they start making money before their money runs out. They have a year using 2021 numbers. I personally think they can pull it off, but it will be a rough ride for shareholders. They won't produce any value to them for a decade. They are so badly upside down right now. Delta can renew their whole narrowbody fleet tomorrow, and still have positive shareholder equity. AA is what, 7 billion, in the red.
As a concept, yes, they have the right equipment. It's just a race against time right now if they start making money before their money runs out. They have a year using 2021 numbers. I personally think they can pull it off, but it will be a rough ride for shareholders. They won't produce any value to them for a decade. They are so badly upside down right now. Delta can renew their whole narrowbody fleet tomorrow, and still have positive shareholder equity. AA is what, 7 billion, in the red.
which they will either go further into debt to take delivery of or defer until they can pay for, or buy then sell them to lease back incurring leasing obligations.
The POINT if you read the post that mine was responding to was about fuel economy. The pister had indicated the fuel economy of the NEO and I wholeheartedly agree that the NEO and MAX will improve fuel economy. But AS OF YET (ie., currently) those more highly efficient versions are a relatively small percentage of the CURRENT AA NB fleet.
The POINT if you read the post that mine was responding to was about fuel economy. The pister had indicated the fuel economy of the NEO and I wholeheartedly agree that the NEO and MAX will improve fuel economy. But AS OF YET (ie., currently) those more highly efficient versions are a relatively small percentage of the CURRENT AA NB fleet.
01-27-2022 | 10:00 PM
#849
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
Compare it to UA or DL. They are not even in the same ballpark. UA has 5.4 billion in shareholder equity. Delta 3.7 billion. AA, minus 7.4 billion.
Sale/leaseback, really? Funny guy haha
Do you even know what that means, and how little that helps AAG and their balance sheet.That's like saying a reverse mortgage is your retirement plan because that way you don't have to save for retirement because you get such a large lump sum of money.
01-27-2022 | 10:48 PM
#850
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which they will either go further into debt to take delivery of or defer until they can pay for, or buy then sell them to lease back incurring leasing obligations.
The POINT if you read the post that mine was responding to was about fuel economy. The pister had indicated the fuel economy of the NEO and I wholeheartedly agree that the NEO and MAX will improve fuel economy. But AS OF YET (ie., currently) those more highly efficient versions are a relatively small percentage of the CURRENT AA NB fleet.
The POINT if you read the post that mine was responding to was about fuel economy. The pister had indicated the fuel economy of the NEO and I wholeheartedly agree that the NEO and MAX will improve fuel economy. But AS OF YET (ie., currently) those more highly efficient versions are a relatively small percentage of the CURRENT AA NB fleet.
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