NotPhlying

Another update...

Setspeed

Less any progress and more here’s the stuff we already agreed to that mostly is subpar

ny797

Don’t you worry, we gave more concessions! Previously we only had premium rates of an extra 50%. The “green july” fiasco brought us a company flex to 100%. The idiots in the negotiating committee just introduced “variable premium” which adds in a third option of 75%.

So if the company was in that much of a bind that they had to flex past the 50% it would go to 100%. Now it will only go to 75%.

The negotiating committee updates at this point are more comical than anything else, as the offer keeps getting worse and worse. Oh well, more ammo for the inevitable shoot down of this garbage by either the BOD or membership.

Arado 234

Speaking of garbage... What's the deal with DC? Why was there a vote to remove him from the NC committee?

El Peso

APA Preparing National Mediation Board Application

This afternoon, the APA Board of Directors unanimously approved a motion that directs the Senior Director of Legal Affairs, in conjunction with the Director of Negotiations and the Negotiating Committee, to prepare an application to the National Mediation Board for mediation services in our ongoing Section 6 negotiations. In related discussion and debate, various Board members voiced their frustration with American Airlines management’s unwillingness to address issues of concern to our members, and suggested that it may be appropriate to involve the NMB at this juncture in an effort to reach a satisfactory agreement.

206321

GOOD. The company needs babysitting.

RadialRover

That BoD meeting was a CF. I’m not sure I heard a completed, coherent thought throughout the series of videos. They just say words, sometimes louder and sometimes softer.

And from what I took away from the motion to remove two NC individuals the members are unhappy with, some of the BoD reps were saying we’ve stuck with them so long so why get rid of them now? That’s the temporal version of sunk cost, and it makes no sense if the desires of your constituents have changed.

Also, they’re all aware the APA members are unhappy with the amount of Premium pickup and lack of progress both with NC and BoD…and they don’t care! Time to clean slate.

R57 relay

The slate gets changed next month anyway.

The NC works from the direction of the BOD-explains a lot.

I think those that are not happy with the direction of negotiations are going to be happy because I think there is going to be plenty of time to change it.

ImSoSuss

At this point I don't want an agreement until United or Delta (or even SWA) has one first so APA can see for themselves that they have been down the wrong path during the only semi-real pilot shortage we have had. We have such a turd with ZERO QOL improvements for anybody under 25 years seniority or not out on LTD and a pay increase that is laughable compared to the percentage increases we have seen across the industry.

Varks

We are not close and getting further perhaps from a conclusion. The division among our pilot group at AA is perhaps our largest barrier to ever having a quality contract. We unfortunately don’t think of ourselves as one group. We are AA, USAirways. America West, TWA, Reno, above the line, below the line, LTD, Check Pilots, premium flyers, wide body,narrow body, flow through, military, BOS and ORD vs. PHL and MIA, commuters, non commuters, etc.. There is no cohesive group. We are screwed.

Other than Reserve and paid sit time I challenge AA pilots to come up with any current contract item that other Major airlines would be envious of. After infighting between the BOD and President the Alaska Proposal has been studied and obviously found to be way ahead of our AIPs. Earth to BOD you are way over your head. Not all of you but come on. You need to get this group of 15000 pilots to think alike. You are causing division and it is going to set us further behind for years to come. Someone needs to take charge and get us acting as one group.

It’s a hot mess here in AA land.