What I see happening is USAPA accepting the Nic award prior to merger, but delaying implementation by having a fence. Meanwhile, in the background, they will be devising a DOH list with APA, so when the merger occurs, the Nic is essentially meaningless. No failure to represent, since they accepted the Nic prior to merger.

 

OK, sounds like an even better case for the west to me.

 

The west will never rest until they have their NIC. Will they be willing to pass up a 30% pay raise to continue their law suits in the courts? Or would they be able to look at a 3 way list and say OK, we'll take that with the new contract?

 

Let's pretend that there is a joint contract and the nic award is the seniority list and all disputes are settled. There is nothing stopping the union from negotiating a new list based on DOH with a merger partner. The two new companies will need a new list, and I'm sure they ate both going for DOH. See my point? This may really suck for the west and give the old farts what they've been wanting.

 

But now you'd be re-arranging the seniority of pilots within their own list. IOW, Nic goes into effect / I'm senior to Joe / we merge with AA / I'm now junior to Joe?

Ain't gonna happen, lawsuit liability out the wazzoo.

 

It already did happen....there were guys furloughed from U that went to work for AW. They were not required to give up their U seniority number(by the company or ALPO). Now comes the NIC....they are shown TWICE on the list!!!! They jumped themselves along with the rest of the guys they were hired with at U. Likewise , If NIC had used a DOH list they would have once again jumped themselves and their AW class mates. So yes it can and has happened. Back to lurking..out.

 

I don't think Mr CRJ FO has much of a handle on how these things work.

WarEagle.... It gets even better. We have TWA/AA guys here in PHX. If there is another arbitration using whatever list comes up these guys have the chance to pick their spot. I see no issues. We have furloughed UCAL guys bypassing for years, we have AA guys bypassing and one or two just went back. I think it is great to have options, I wish I had one other than going overseas if this does not pan out

 

No War, it didn't happen. We are talking about two different things. The situation you described has happened and probably will again, but that's not what Texaspilot described. The situation he described would change the seniority within your own list before any merger took place.

Think of it like this. You work at airline "A". Your seniority is based on when you were hired. Now at your airline, you've got a lot of old guys. They are not all senior, but age wise, they are old.

A merger is announced with airline "B", also chock full of older guys. The two unions get together and decide that the method of integration will be based on Date of Birth. You have now re-arranged the seniority of (in this case both groups) pre-merger.

In Texaspilot's example he suggested that the USAir pilots accept the Nic award, then merge with AA based on DOH. That you can't do because it would re-arrange the US pilot's seniority within their own list prior to the merger, see the difference?

 

Quint, First off, all I was pointing out is that we recieved a list that had a handfull of people that are listed TWICE- on the same Freeking list!!!. That to me means that it IS a flawed list and should have been thrown out because these folks jumped themselves. Second , I AM one of those OLD FARTS!!! Mike, I agree, I hope this works out for us all.

 

Boss, is there any time frame for forced resolution of the E/W SLI conflict outside of an AA merger scenario or could it continue in perpetuity ?