R57 relay

I never said that. It was not relative position BTW.

Had we been smart we would have found a solution years ago.

eaglefly

Well, your idol Tom is likely going dispatch you to U anyway, so you may as well get used to it.

When we exit chapter 11 working under an imposed work order instead of a contract, perhaps you could explain how we'll be better off ?

It appears the overwhelming majority of pilots think we'll be better off merging with Parker's offer, then empty handed post BK.

Tomahawk58

So why not quit AA and apply at US? This would certainly open the door to those who really want to be AA. During US's hiring spree, where was the mass exodus of AA pilots heading to Phoenix if they really wanted to work under Doug's leadership?

So, this is really about a few dollars more without much regard for future consequences. I think US is still hiring....any takers?

aafurloughee

Hawk your a smart enuf guy, the company has dug themselves a hole, and the pilots are fed up. They have gone from let,s work together, then line their pockets. To stall tactics. What six years of good faith bargaining, then a term sheet that is basically giving you far reg limits, with meager wages, which btw is being forced down your throats. Common bully tactics. Quite frankly people are fed up. But more importantly, they don,t trust them. We know this devil, have given him a chance only to put the stick in you, then break it off. As for Parker, it,s not the best, but at least they were willing to bargain reasonably and give decent wages , we shall see about scope. AA management messed up! Live by the sword, die by the sword. The only way management can save this one is by coming up with a better plan, apparently they haven,t been able to do that. We shall see.

GQpilot

Ummmmm, are you kidding? If you leave AA for a new hire position at US ,you start over at the bottom of the list, not only seniority wise, but pay wise. Are you management? With a merger the AA pilots will most likely be placed toward the top of a combined list. As for furloughs, we have quite a few ex TWA/AA pilots here. Although one ex TWA guy I know bailed from AWA when the US merger was announced and went to fly for Boeing.

eaglefly

No, he's not kidding. His solution to those pilots (the majority) that disagree with AMR's plan is to do just that. That's because.......

.......well, perhaps you're starting to get it.


Don't agree with the placement statement you make, but many here believe the worst case scenario for ALL AA pilots is being part of the US Airways merger (which will almost certainly happen) under the control of this management vs. themselves. One only needs to look at the last decade and especially the last 5 months to see that. It would seem AMR simply wants to gut the employees, THEN do the merge with U under THEIR terms (once again, BAD for AA employees). A MAJOR payday for them, if they do. It's a given that the 1113c term sheet as is, has no chance of being ratified by the pilots and won't even be presented for vote. Thus, unless AMR decides to actually negotiate during the next 6 weeks or so, they will in all probability get their term sheet imposed.

At that point, I think the pilots have even less incentive to negotiate and it will be highly likely AMR will have to plan to somehow exit chapter 11 with at least no pilot CBA and very likely at least one of the other 3 labor groups. They don't want to do that, so at that point to pressure the pilots further and now with a blank check on leverage, I think AMR will then tighten the screws I guess until pilots start breaking. A nightmare scenario for everyone, for sure. Not sure how investors or creditors will feel about investing in a powderkeg like that, so we'll have to see. It would seem that at this point AMR simply doesn't care what employee atmosphere exits at the future AA and inexplicably believes they can make a premium product with enraged, disgruntled, decimated and disillusioned workers or instead perhaps to toss the wreckage to someone else who will have to try. Again, I don't understand the investment value of that nor why a creditor would let themelves be put in that position, but what do I know ?

Aside from that, most agree that AMR's business plan is exceptionally weak and presumptuous. I've yet to read a single analysts article that was positive in that reagrd, but perhaps I missed one. Most believe the only real chance for AA long-term IS a merger and ASAP with someone who has at least a fighting chance to reverse a decade long graveyard spiral.

eaglefly

Tomahawk will instruct you to apply to US Airways if you don't like the future here..........or eaglefly says you could just wait for the merger.

slinger

Nice, Tom Hanks......

7576FO

Dear Trama-managment personel or Aircon Employee,

You are so Management, and US Air is not hiring. You're so stupid!!!

7576FO

Tomahawk58 lies about being a pilot for American Airlines. He is not a pilot for American Airlines.

proletariatav8r

To step back and summarize just some of the SLI issues that may have already been covered; US Air East is hiring while the West has 49 pilots on furlough and still stand as a separate list respectfully. AA has 1,685 on furlough, 650 have yet to be offered a recall and most of which are former TWA. All Eagle pilots hired prior to Oct 2011 have contractual flow up rights. US East’s most junior CA has a 1999 DOH and west has a 1998 DOH, while AA’s most junior CA has a 1992 DOH.


Then there’s the APA, (who used to be ALPA until the schism in 1963 when they broke off from ALPA), USAPA which doesn’t talk to US management and remains a group whose credibility is suspect by many, and the former loyal ALPA camp from AWA.


How on God’s green earth are all these groups, with valid, time fought positions, combine to produce a united pilot group working together in harmony ensuring an efficient operation? There will be more fences than a Chicago stockyard.