^^^ yep, that's true. It's kind of a day off. One of 1,000 QWL items to fix!


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They told you correct. I have friends at every airline. During my career each of us has worked at the best, at one point or another.

It's a different industry. The big four, FedEx, UPS and a few of the others will provide you with a great career. Bears working in a cubicle five days a week.

 

Every pilot served their time at the bottom. It wasn't ever fun. Change isn't fun either (JCBA). But for all the bad, the good throughout your career will overshadow it. Ask Vendetta on the other end of the list who works 6 days a month and makes $280,000 a year how much he hates working.

You don't realize how good you have it (not talking about today) about your career. Don't know your age but if your not a grandpa your going to start rocketing up the list in a few years. Took many FOs nearly 25 years to become a Captain to make $150,000 a year. You on the other hand will be a Captain within the decade making $250,000 or more and a WB Captain in 20 years making $300,000 plus. There will be crappy days but in the end it will be a good career. Your glass of water will leak often but it's up to you to determine whether its half full or half empty.

I just hate to see pilots yearning for information so they can make an educated decision about their future
being told to go elsewhere because someone who works here had a bad day. This guys/girls are trying to make some serious decisions.

Not a reserve guy but I think you are wrong about your day off. Read Question 15-7 on page Section 15-42 of the JCBA. As I said before, knowing your contract will make your career so much better and less stressful. No it's not easy to learn but it will determine your livelihood for the next several decades.

 

Actually started off on the (bottom) DC9 out of DCA and had a blast. Sometimes the crew would hit the sports bar in Crystal City after a trip.

 

15:J:11:h......essentially they have to add back the hours worked into your DFP back at end of DFP begun after extended flying into DFP. DFP periods are from midnight to midnight so if you were hypothetically flown into your DFP until noon they would have to add 12 hours to your DFP. Truly confusing...part 117 converted everything we knew from days to hours....

 

Funny,

You may have experience with this, I don't. So you probably know more but according to the question concerning this the added time to his duty period starts "after" his debrief period and his 12 hour rest break. If that is true he would have almost a full day at the back end. Example: blocks in at 11:30 am on first DFP day. Has 15 debrief, then gets 12 hours off (now 11:45 pm) then he starts his required DFPs.

Not sure if that's correct but that's how the question reads. The more illustrative point is that new or unknowing pilots are guessing about their contract or going on hearsay instead of trying to get the facts. At the very least if they won't take the time to learn themselves call APA for the answer.

We all complain how the schedulers are violating the contract because they don't understand it but we are just as guilty.

 

I almost replies as well. There are some things I really want to see changed as well. However, I might add to why the reply l. As a someone who didn't work around airline pilots and never considered it until recently I came here for gouge. I remember reading very polar arguments from folks. Also some very negative stuff about nearly every airline. It is hard to pick though the anger and bitterness some folks hold onto (not saying you are, but many on here are and you might have hit a nerve). I've read your post and I think one might have even persuaded me to quit pursuing other options (can't remember). Anyways I heard a bit about how horrible the AA contact was, and then I saw an actual contact comparison; it wasn't far off from the others and better in some aspects. Like I said there are some things I'd like to change and I hope we fight for them. Overall no regrets and glad I dug my hills in and quit looking elsewhere; right decision, won't know for 20+ years probably. Biggest advice I can give is find an airline that has a domicile you want to live at for the rest of your working career.

 

The problem is I think you can still get a 1300 start. So you miss the front side of one day off and come in on the first duty day. Where had you not flown tell noon you'd likely be home the day prior and could still have a late start.

 

The fact is, both PRS, Upsddown and many others are all correct. On the 'macro' view, Upsddown nailed it. The hiring wave has yet to hit us yet, and if you are hired in the next few years (age dependent of course) your career "should be" epic. Not speaking for anyone else, but maybe tapping into some of the frustration is the 'micro,' or day to day realities of the LAA/LUS merger. I wouldn't tell anyone not to come here, because 95% of the time my biggest frustration is driving to the airport for a turn (Living in base is, IMHO, the easiest way to have a good career)!

There are a million little paper cuts along the way, especially being junior. But as an old friend of mine told me recently - "you don't do this job for the first five years, you do it for the last 20."

 

If we make it through the next 6 months as a union and an airline, I think we'll be okay. In the last 3 months, on literally every single trip I've gotten on reserve, I've had to fill out a debrief with the union due to a contract violation or fatigue event. I don't know what contract I'm flying under and it seems the company is going to new lengths to violate our contract(s) in order to resolve their manning shortages.

This isn't a terrible place to work by any means. But these last few months have been rough...