What else did HR say in DC at OBAP? Just curious what they say for hiring since they don't tell us anything in the pilot ranks.

 

I wonder if Patti in HR would release the number of pilots in the pool or release how many they interviewed in Oct and Jan.
It would be nice to have accurate numbers vs just guessing.

I really hope more than 1 OTS hire gets put into the 15 Sept class.

I don't understand how Delta and AA are essentially retiring about the same number of pilots yet Delta is training 100 a month and American is training 40-50 (1/3 of those being furloughed pilots returning). Is Delta growing that much more? Anyone care to guess when AA will begin training a 100/month? Percentage based LUS is retiring more than any of the Legacy carriers.

 

[QUOTE=fechic;1951619]Hey C5, during my hiring process last summer, I received my CJO in the form of an email, sent from "[email protected]". The letter was from Patty Taylor, and it requested you go into your pilot credentials application in order to electronically accept the CJO (there was a new tab labled Conditional Offer under the References tab). I had to do this step before I could go in for my drug testing. Hope this helps.[/QUOT

Oh ya. I do remember that now. Sweet. I guess I got the CJO and a phone call.
I think there where only 10 in my class

 

Yea OBAP.. He didnt really say anything except the fact they encouraged him to apply.

 

TOGAANG - AA is accepting 75-90(?) new a/c every year. At 12 guys per a/c it's a tremendous training bubble.

They're not canceling flights so it appears that pilot supply is acceptable.

 

AA is shrinking (it's all Parker has ever known how to run an airline). We shrunk by 43 aircraft this year IIRC. That is around 500 guys not needed. Plus with the new contract LUS guys are maxing out at 90 hours vs 85 before. That is making a difference as well. They are also running reserves HARD, unlike last year reserves are flying 50, 60, 70, even 80 hours a month. This is unheard of on the LUS side. In PHL AB alone, FO reserves were reduced by 60 guys this year. That is just one category, on one airplane, in one base.

 

The company claims we're not shrinking on an ASM basis. In fact I think we're growing by a percent or two year over year, at least domestically. It's true that the mainline fleet count will be down for 2015, but the airplanes being parked are lesser-used MD80s and 75/76s, and they're being replaced with highly utilized 737s, A320s, and a couple 787s for good measure. So the argument is that block hours (pilot jobs) are holding about steady. For now.

The bad news is that AA does seem to run reserves a lot thinner than US had, and neither side has PBS yet, which will supposedly leave the entire combined airline overstaffed by 1000+ pilots. And there probably are still "synergies" to be realized. Delta has already syngerized, already has PBS, and is in fact growing, so that's why they're hiring more.

Still, retirements are humming along, so the company needs new guys (and girls!) in the meantime. I'd be surprised if we hit anything close to Delta's rumored 120/month anytime soon though.

For the record, this is all based on what I've heard on company earnings calls. It's out there if you care to verify it.

 

Apples and hammers.... AA still has a lot ahead of it in this merger. We're not even one airline yet, operationally at least. October will be the single reservation system, PBS is on the way, and SLI is coming hopefully this century. All those factors will result in reduced pilot jobs. The fact that we're still flowing and hiring (albeit slowly), is a very positive sign with what is still ahead. Once all the above stuff is over, you'll see balls to the wall hiring that you see at Delta, and then some...

Hang tough dude. That day is coming.

 

All great replies and thanks for all the education on what is going on. It clears the muddy water a little.
Cheers

 

I think New AA has 42 simulators...and even with only bringing on 50 guys a month they've contracted sim time from Airbus in MIA.