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12-23-2014 | 10:23 AM

#1341

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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

"American Airlines Inc. employees will get 4 percent across-the-board pay raises, including unionized employees if their union has a joint contract covering both American and US Airways employees.

At the same time, American announced that it is sending its pilot contract to binding arbitration after more than a month of negotiations with the Allied Pilots Association.

Included in the group getting the 4 percent raise are American’s flight attendants, who will get that increase on top of the higher wages included in a joint contract finalized last week."

Terry Maxon | Dallas Morning News

Merry Christmas to all from Jerry Glass.

P.S. I bet two months pay that the LAX reps where informed yesterday.

...and so the next phase is here. This indicates there really was no negotiating, simply a take-it-or-leave ultimatum packaged as a "proposal" by Parker. The best tack now is to preserve as much as the Green Book as possible and deny Parker everything possible. I'll patiently wait the 12 months for a significant raise and Parker runs his airline.

I don't blame the 12 at all and in fact blame the 10 saboteurs for obviously weakening the group and giving Parker a foothold to drive a wedge between the pilots. Let's get it over with and let the next 12 months pass as quickly as possible.

P.S. I'll bet he's even closer to PHX then LAX and they helped him more then anyone.

12-23-2014 | 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by texaspilot76

The company was not asking for much in return for the huge pay raise offered. I would accept making 23% more next year in exchange for the miniscule things they wanted.

These union chest thumpers just cost me approximately $24,000 in pay next year.

Plus 4% on top of the current offer.
Jesus, take the mother effing deal. All the hoopla because a few issues with short call and Sims at night.
Profit sharing is gone and that's thanks to apa same with the 1 for 3.5. You guys had all that remember?

12-23-2014 | 10:26 AM

#1343

eaglefly

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Originally Posted by Spoiler

Envoy caved giving the 175's a place to go. I cannot help think there was linkage here. The 175's would have been converted to 190's flown at mainline

That would only help Parker and at this point regardless of where you stood in what WAS the negotiations stage, we ALL benefit by being unified against Doug Parker's management "team" from here on out.

The more we destroy ourselves, the weaker we are. At this point, it's critical for some housecleaning at APA.

12-23-2014 | 10:32 AM

#1344

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I see a repeat of the Envoy strategy of last Summer. In that, Parker and Glass crafted the perception that the MEC was out of touch with the memberships desires and forced them to send a concessionary TA to the pilots against their will without their support. The pilot vote failed there, but if they can get enough pilots to drop to their knees here and sob, beg and cry, they my believe they can invalidate the APA leadership and negotiate directly with the pilots, many of whom are weak just like they did at Envoy.

Looks like they've got a few here ready to roll over.

It would appear the APA MEC is a trojan horse and there are reps within actively working on behalf of Parker's interests. That is our biggest problem now. The well is clearly poisoned.

12-23-2014 | 10:33 AM

#1345

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Originally Posted by canoepilot

plus 4% on top of the current offer.
Jesus, take the mother effing deal. All the hoopla because a few issues with short call and sims at night.
Profit sharing is gone and that's thanks to apa same with the 1 for 3.5. You guys had all that remember?

no no no no

i will not vote yes on concessions!!

12-23-2014 | 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Route66

Sorry. It's not my heart. It's the math. Oh, the 4% over and above for EVERYONE? Go complain to everyone NOW about how bad management is to pilots and tell me how that plays out.

The press assault is starting....and it isn't favoring us.

FYI.

Of course it is the math. If Parker is willing to pay all that money to get concessions that he cannot get in arbitration, then obviously we know how much those concessions are worth, even though he won't give us the valuations. Jerry Glass isn't giving up anything this early in the negotiations. There is no doubt this is still a Net win for the company.

Pilots suck at negotiations. Negotiations just got started and people that don't like negotiations are ready to fold to make the discomfort go away, or they are 63+.

12-23-2014 | 10:45 AM

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Not much? Are you a line holding captain of a wide body? If not, your progression will be delayed for years as the INT/DOM and HBT kick in. Glass always wins for the company always. The offer is without a doubt a Net win for the company.

Not much.. The APA isn't asking for much, and negotiations are not over until the APA says YES, or the arbitrator rules... If Parker will pay this much for what he can't have in arbitration, then there is no way he will ever let an arbitrator rule.

Glass just needs a YES, and he will get it far before an arbitrator rules.

Start the BOD recall wars.

12-23-2014 | 10:49 AM

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Told ya! Remember???? (Oh, it's all my fault). 4% huh. THOSE BASTA$$RDS! How dare they give us MORE money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc

My bad. Pilots don't have a JCBA so we don't get it. Just everyone else.