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12-23-2014 | 10:53 AM
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Of course it is the math. If Parker is willing to pay all that money to get concessions that he cannot get in arbitration, then obviously we know how much those concessions are worth, even though he won't give us the valuations. Jerry Glass isn't giving up anything this early in the negotiations. There is no doubt this is still a Net win for the company.
Pilots suck at negotiations. Negotiations just got started and people that don't like negotiations are ready to fold to make the discomfort go away, or they are 63+.
Pilots suck at negotiations. Negotiations just got started and people that don't like negotiations are ready to fold to make the discomfort go away, or they are 63+.
There's an old saying, "Money walks and BS talks."
Hope that helps.
12-23-2014 | 10:53 AM
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12-23-2014 | 10:57 AM
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12-23-2014 | 10:58 AM
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Not much? Are you a line holding captain of a wide body? If not, your progression will be delayed for years as the INT/DOM and HBT kick in. Glass always wins for the company always. The offer is without a doubt a Net win for the company.
Not much.. The APA isn't asking for much, and negotiations are not over until the APA says YES, or the arbitrator rules... If Parker will pay this much for what he can't have in arbitration, then there is no way he will ever let an arbitrator rule.
Glass just needs a YES, and he will get it far before an arbitrator rules.
Start the BOD recall wars.
Not much.. The APA isn't asking for much, and negotiations are not over until the APA says YES, or the arbitrator rules... If Parker will pay this much for what he can't have in arbitration, then there is no way he will ever let an arbitrator rule.
Glass just needs a YES, and he will get it far before an arbitrator rules.
Start the BOD recall wars.
12-23-2014 | 10:59 AM
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If you will trade the illusion of more net money for delayed upgrades and more days away from your family then that is your call. You can buy them tickets to travel with you.
12-23-2014 | 11:05 AM
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All Parker did was offer his original deal, but add a 4% signing bonus. That is the "sweetener". The "ultimatum" was that it was concurrently offered with the proffer of arbitration. So, we got both our sweetener and ultimatum, although packaged differently then I predicted.
Will the MEC blink ?
That is the question and on that one, I have no idea. I give it an even 50/50 chance to be put out for vote. Clearly the MEC won't ratify this.
Will the MEC blink ?
That is the question and on that one, I have no idea. I give it an even 50/50 chance to be put out for vote. Clearly the MEC won't ratify this.
12-23-2014 | 11:09 AM
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The only valuation we have on Parker's concession is the butt loads of money he wants to buy them for before he goes to arbitration and can't get them.
If you will trade the illusion of more net money for delayed upgrades and more days away from your family then that is your call. You can buy them tickets to travel with you.
If you will trade the illusion of more net money for delayed upgrades and more days away from your family then that is your call. You can buy them tickets to travel with you.
All Parker did was offer his original deal, but add a 4% signing bonus. That is the "sweetener". The "ultimatum" was that it was concurrently offered with the proffer of arbitration. So, we got both our sweetener and ultimatum, although packaged differently then I predicted.
Will the MEC blink ?
That is the question and on that one, I have no idea. I give it an even 50/50 chance to be put out for vote. Clearly the MEC won't ratify this.
Will the MEC blink ?
That is the question and on that one, I have no idea. I give it an even 50/50 chance to be put out for vote. Clearly the MEC won't ratify this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUJ1vot3CA8
12-23-2014 | 11:17 AM
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How bout THIS for the NEW YEAR:
Also nice to see the company (NOT APA) is giving Envoy pilots preferred hiring. APA didn't have anything to do with it.
Here comes ALPA. (God I hope not).
Can you say "New hire Captains"??
Man, I'm feeling the LOVE already. Glad APA is on top of it.
Merry Christmas, Baby!
Terry Maxon | Dallas Morning News
“Although we have offered a proposal that is better than what will be achieved through arbitration, the APA Board of Directors is not yet comfortable accepting those terms or putting them out to its members for a vote,” Kirby said.
“Both sides have worked hard to this point, but the last proposal we received from the APA was significantly more expensive than even their previous proposal and in negotiations that simply takes us backwards,” he said.
Under terms of a “merger transition agreement” (MTA) signed before the December 2013 merger, the union is obligated to accept binding arbitration if the two sides cannot agree on terms of a joint agreement and management then offers binding arbitration."
“Both sides have worked hard to this point, but the last proposal we received from the APA was significantly more expensive than even their previous proposal and in negotiations that simply takes us backwards,” he said.
Under terms of a “merger transition agreement” (MTA) signed before the December 2013 merger, the union is obligated to accept binding arbitration if the two sides cannot agree on terms of a joint agreement and management then offers binding arbitration."
Here comes ALPA. (God I hope not).
The deal offers Envoy pilots “new, large and modern aircraft to fly and faster career advancement at both Envoy and American Airlines. Envoy now offers all existing pilots, as well as future new hires, a direct career progression to the world’s largest mainline carrier,”
Man, I'm feeling the LOVE already. Glad APA is on top of it.
Merry Christmas, Baby!
Terry Maxon | Dallas Morning News
12-23-2014 | 11:19 AM
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