JCBA timeline extension
11-19-2014 | 03:44 AM
#481
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Reading between the lines:
It seems Route66 has already told his wife about the JCBA pay rates. And guess what, she don't care about work rules.
Negotiations ARE NOT OVER calm down.
I got 2 phone calls yesterday, "Let's just take what's on the table now"
Me: Negotiations are not over.
It seems Route66 has already told his wife about the JCBA pay rates. And guess what, she don't care about work rules.
Negotiations ARE NOT OVER calm down.
I got 2 phone calls yesterday, "Let's just take what's on the table now"
Me: Negotiations are not over.
11-19-2014 | 04:07 AM
#482
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Reading between the lines:
It seems Route66 has already told his wife about the JCBA pay rates. And guess what, she don't care about work rules.
Negotiations ARE NOT OVER calm down.
I got 2 phone calls yesterday, "Let's just take what's on the table now"
Me: Negotiations are not over.
It seems Route66 has already told his wife about the JCBA pay rates. And guess what, she don't care about work rules.
Negotiations ARE NOT OVER calm down.
I got 2 phone calls yesterday, "Let's just take what's on the table now"
Me: Negotiations are not over.
And that's right. Negotiations....NEGOTIATIONS...SHOULDN'T BE OVER! That I NEVER said SHOULDN'T occur. But what I will say is that what IS on the table in comparison to the MOU IS A GREAT DEAL.
But what AA73 and EagleFly ARE saying is PHUCK THEM! Go to arbitration and get THAT and THAT is just bone-dick STUPID!
If you are an APA rep you may want to get with your BOD and tell them to GET THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR A$$E$ AND GET BUSY WITH A COUNTER THAT THE COMPANY CAN FIND MIDDLE GROUND WITH.
All this CLOSED DOOR CRAP you unionists have simply lack transparency and GOT US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
However, your "two phone calls" already tells me more about this New American Pilot group than I think you intended.
11-19-2014 | 04:29 AM
#483
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Rte66, man oh man did I strike a nerve or what! I'm honored that you mention me in almost every post.
Listen bro...calm down, first of all. Nobody here is yelling except you.
Second... Here's the deal. We are not done negotiating. This is a high stakes game for both APA and the company. Why?
1. The company is more nervous about arbitration than we are, although they'll never tell us that.
2. The APA recognizes that we are a little closer to what we want but not there 100%.
So, in a nutshell: We can either roll over and accept what they want and take them at their word that they will throw a few more bones (I don't believe that for a second.)
Or we can tell them that we'll take arbitration instead of this concessionary offer that doesn't even bring us in Delta's ball park, at which point the company will be backed into a corner and probably sweeten the pot rather than go into arbitration.
That's where I'm at. I'm not a "burn-the-house-down" type of pilot, I'm just realistic and stay one move ahead of them, and realize the negotiating games they're playing, and play them right back. I don't fall for them like many others.
I think you mentioned you're a new hire? Is it possible you're being strongly influenced by the huge increase in first year pay and disregarding the other negatives from their offer?
As you can see, I'm open to reasonable discussion on this topic, but when you start yelling and throwing out the demeaning terms, I'm done.
Regards
73
Listen bro...calm down, first of all. Nobody here is yelling except you.
Second... Here's the deal. We are not done negotiating. This is a high stakes game for both APA and the company. Why?
1. The company is more nervous about arbitration than we are, although they'll never tell us that.
2. The APA recognizes that we are a little closer to what we want but not there 100%.
So, in a nutshell: We can either roll over and accept what they want and take them at their word that they will throw a few more bones (I don't believe that for a second.)
Or we can tell them that we'll take arbitration instead of this concessionary offer that doesn't even bring us in Delta's ball park, at which point the company will be backed into a corner and probably sweeten the pot rather than go into arbitration.
That's where I'm at. I'm not a "burn-the-house-down" type of pilot, I'm just realistic and stay one move ahead of them, and realize the negotiating games they're playing, and play them right back. I don't fall for them like many others.
I think you mentioned you're a new hire? Is it possible you're being strongly influenced by the huge increase in first year pay and disregarding the other negatives from their offer?
As you can see, I'm open to reasonable discussion on this topic, but when you start yelling and throwing out the demeaning terms, I'm done.
Regards
73
11-19-2014 | 04:35 AM
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Now that scope concession has been withdrawn, I guess we are getting close. The only thing that bugs me about what the company has offered thus far is us paying the Obamacare tax. If this offer is accepted and we vote it in, I ask that all of you vote Republican for president in 2016. That will result in a repeal of Obamacare.
11-19-2014 | 04:41 AM
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Reality ck those against the JCBA are aware that the worst that can happen is the MOU - they are not embracing it just weighing the costs of the gives.
It is however, disingenuous of Parker to decry the JCBA is not section 6 but then demand the number of gets that are in excess of most section six outcomes.
I think they are rushing through as many items as they think they can get in hopes that dollar signs will blind pilots to what they will give up.
That said, Kirby was touting scope relief was a sure thing because the money that was to be offered. The company reach is excessive, it opens too many doors to further LOA's and grabs. The best course is to get them to drop the number of gets to something manageable. They dropped scope, now get relief on the other gives or drop them too. Leave the rates but whittle down the most onerous terms.
It is however, disingenuous of Parker to decry the JCBA is not section 6 but then demand the number of gets that are in excess of most section six outcomes.
I think they are rushing through as many items as they think they can get in hopes that dollar signs will blind pilots to what they will give up.
That said, Kirby was touting scope relief was a sure thing because the money that was to be offered. The company reach is excessive, it opens too many doors to further LOA's and grabs. The best course is to get them to drop the number of gets to something manageable. They dropped scope, now get relief on the other gives or drop them too. Leave the rates but whittle down the most onerous terms.
11-19-2014 | 04:48 AM
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Pretty expense entertainment if you're one of us and you thing the Company GIVING us money is NOT A GREAT DEAL. It isn't entertainment to me when a few bad apples like AA73 and EagleFly try to deny new hires a PAY JUMP FROM $40 to $70 bucks per hour.
I know their LIBERAL COMMUNIST AGENDA to hold out for so much more that the newspaper even squeals.
And they call ME anti-unionist. Shoot the messenger and bury their heads in the sand. If a battle they would be the too that Patton would SHOOT!
I know their LIBERAL COMMUNIST AGENDA to hold out for so much more that the newspaper even squeals.
And they call ME anti-unionist. Shoot the messenger and bury their heads in the sand. If a battle they would be the too that Patton would SHOOT!
11-19-2014 | 04:55 AM
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Rte66, man oh man did I strike a nerve or what! I'm honored that you mention me in almost every post.
Listen bro...calm down, first of all. Nobody here is yelling except you.
Second... Here's the deal. We are not done negotiating. This is a high stakes game for both APA and the company. Why?
1. The company is more nervous about arbitration than we are, although they'll never tell us that.
2. The APA recognizes that we are a little closer to what we want but not there 100%.
So, in a nutshell: We can either roll over and accept what they want and take them at their word that they will throw a few more bones (I don't believe that for a second.)
Or we can tell them that we'll take arbitration instead of this concessionary offer that doesn't even bring us in Delta's ball park, at which point the company will be backed into a corner and probably sweeten the pot rather than go into arbitration.
That's where I'm at. I'm not a "burn-the-house-down" type of pilot, I'm just realistic and stay one move ahead of them, and realize the negotiating games they're playing, and play them right back. I don't fall for them like many others.
I think you mentioned you're a new hire? Is it possible you're being strongly influenced by the huge increase in first year pay and disregarding the other negatives from their offer?
As you can see, I'm open to reasonable discussion on this topic, but when you start yelling and throwing out the demeaning terms, I'm done.
Regards
73
Listen bro...calm down, first of all. Nobody here is yelling except you.
Second... Here's the deal. We are not done negotiating. This is a high stakes game for both APA and the company. Why?
1. The company is more nervous about arbitration than we are, although they'll never tell us that.
2. The APA recognizes that we are a little closer to what we want but not there 100%.
So, in a nutshell: We can either roll over and accept what they want and take them at their word that they will throw a few more bones (I don't believe that for a second.)
Or we can tell them that we'll take arbitration instead of this concessionary offer that doesn't even bring us in Delta's ball park, at which point the company will be backed into a corner and probably sweeten the pot rather than go into arbitration.
That's where I'm at. I'm not a "burn-the-house-down" type of pilot, I'm just realistic and stay one move ahead of them, and realize the negotiating games they're playing, and play them right back. I don't fall for them like many others.
I think you mentioned you're a new hire? Is it possible you're being strongly influenced by the huge increase in first year pay and disregarding the other negatives from their offer?
As you can see, I'm open to reasonable discussion on this topic, but when you start yelling and throwing out the demeaning terms, I'm done.
Regards
73
Second, admit that you just changed your tune from what we WERE discussing when I got on this board in the first place.
You want to make amends.....SPELL IT OUT!
11-19-2014 | 05:00 AM
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EagleFly and AA73 have been scorched earth ever since I got on this board to FINALLY get maybe at least ONE of those boneheads to retract their SCREW THE COMPANY mentality and actually think it through, first.
Now, if ALL of us can get back to reason, logic and sound thinking.....I'm game. But if they want to keep calling me the second coming of DP and Kirby....BRING IT ON!
11-19-2014 | 05:18 AM
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No need for a job action that violates the law...Absolutely no need. With all of the acrimony their decision will invoke, the operation will fall apart on its own...nothing will be able to be proven. And that will not bode well for them.
There is nothing worse than an employee that does the bare minimum - especially in the airline industry. I hope they know that.
Like I said, this is a whole new ball game for them and I think they are severely underestimating the resolve of this pilot group.
They had a chance to lead, a la Delta, and blew it. I don't care how much of an "expert" Jerry Glass is - he doesn't know this group and has not dealt with them.
They wanted arbitration, now they're gonna get it...and probably cry about it when it doesn't pan out the way they expected it to.
There is nothing worse than an employee that does the bare minimum - especially in the airline industry. I hope they know that.
Like I said, this is a whole new ball game for them and I think they are severely underestimating the resolve of this pilot group.
They had a chance to lead, a la Delta, and blew it. I don't care how much of an "expert" Jerry Glass is - he doesn't know this group and has not dealt with them.
They wanted arbitration, now they're gonna get it...and probably cry about it when it doesn't pan out the way they expected it to.
Put my screen name on C&R and If you really are an AA pilot you'll have no trouble finding me and my employee #on C&R as I'm well known on there by my screen name as well as my real name.
How bout you, chump? You still haven't answered anyone on here as to whether you're really an AA pilot. I got my doubts.
How bout you, chump? You still haven't answered anyone on here as to whether you're really an AA pilot. I got my doubts.
Route66,
It really boils down to two choices:
1) the company provides us with an ILC to which I'll vote in favor for,
2) or, they pass us another turd floating in a bowl to which I'll gladly take my chances in arbitration.
I've been here 15 years and know their M.O. And now they're raking in amazing profits. Sorry, but anything less than an ILC doesn't cut it. They want arbitration, bring it on...then they have to deal with the consequences.
It really boils down to two choices:
1) the company provides us with an ILC to which I'll vote in favor for,
2) or, they pass us another turd floating in a bowl to which I'll gladly take my chances in arbitration.
I've been here 15 years and know their M.O. And now they're raking in amazing profits. Sorry, but anything less than an ILC doesn't cut it. They want arbitration, bring it on...then they have to deal with the consequences.
The only thing you've been fighting for is your credibility. And that's already shot.
The very fact that you PM'd me saying you didn't want to talk to me on C&R - where names are published for everyone to see - pegs you as a fraud.
I didn't vote for any MOU, genius. I voted No twice to Lbfo 1 and 2 and said screw it, let them eat dust and figure out how to run an airline with disgruntled employees. I didn't vote to go crying to Parker, in fact I didn't vote for anything at all after my two No votes. So while you sit here running your mouth, we'll continue carrying your water and fighting the good fight. And you'll continue to sit here and kiss management's behind while trolling for that chief pilot job.
Stench? Lol. I guess if fighting for the profession makes us stink, that's a badge of honor and I'll proudly wear it.
Nice try Son, now time to go kiss some more Center Pork, they're waitin for ya for that VP of Gas position! Don't aim it my way
The very fact that you PM'd me saying you didn't want to talk to me on C&R - where names are published for everyone to see - pegs you as a fraud.
I didn't vote for any MOU, genius. I voted No twice to Lbfo 1 and 2 and said screw it, let them eat dust and figure out how to run an airline with disgruntled employees. I didn't vote to go crying to Parker, in fact I didn't vote for anything at all after my two No votes. So while you sit here running your mouth, we'll continue carrying your water and fighting the good fight. And you'll continue to sit here and kiss management's behind while trolling for that chief pilot job.
Stench? Lol. I guess if fighting for the profession makes us stink, that's a badge of honor and I'll proudly wear it.
Nice try Son, now time to go kiss some more Center Pork, they're waitin for ya for that VP of Gas position! Don't aim it my way
Rte66, man oh man did I strike a nerve or what! I'm honored that you mention me in almost every post.
Listen bro...calm down, first of all. Nobody here is yelling except you.
Second... Here's the deal. We are not done negotiating. This is a high stakes game for both APA and the company. Why?
1. The company is more nervous about arbitration than we are, although they'll never tell us that.
2. The APA recognizes that we are a little closer to what we want but not there 100%.
So, in a nutshell: We can either roll over and accept what they want and take them at their word that they will throw a few more bones (I don't believe that for a second.)
Or we can tell them that we'll take arbitration instead of this concessionary offer that doesn't even bring us in Delta's ball park, at which point the company will be backed into a corner and probably sweeten the pot rather than go into arbitration.
That's where I'm at. I'm not a "burn-the-house-down" type of pilot, I'm just realistic and stay one move ahead of them, and realize the negotiating games they're playing, and play them right back. I don't fall for them like many others.
I think you mentioned you're a new hire? Is it possible you're being strongly influenced by the huge increase in first year pay and disregarding the other negatives from their offer?
As you can see, I'm open to reasonable discussion on this topic, but when you start yelling and throwing out the demeaning terms, I'm done.
Regards
73
Listen bro...calm down, first of all. Nobody here is yelling except you.
Second... Here's the deal. We are not done negotiating. This is a high stakes game for both APA and the company. Why?
1. The company is more nervous about arbitration than we are, although they'll never tell us that.
2. The APA recognizes that we are a little closer to what we want but not there 100%.
So, in a nutshell: We can either roll over and accept what they want and take them at their word that they will throw a few more bones (I don't believe that for a second.)
Or we can tell them that we'll take arbitration instead of this concessionary offer that doesn't even bring us in Delta's ball park, at which point the company will be backed into a corner and probably sweeten the pot rather than go into arbitration.
That's where I'm at. I'm not a "burn-the-house-down" type of pilot, I'm just realistic and stay one move ahead of them, and realize the negotiating games they're playing, and play them right back. I don't fall for them like many others.
I think you mentioned you're a new hire? Is it possible you're being strongly influenced by the huge increase in first year pay and disregarding the other negatives from their offer?
As you can see, I'm open to reasonable discussion on this topic, but when you start yelling and throwing out the demeaning terms, I'm done.
Regards
73
Do your own "research" on this board and R-E-A-D what I wrote and see if with your 15 year intelligence (probably with furlough time) can tell ME what I've said.
So here is YOUR progression from my start here until the end.
Who's the "two face" now? Now go and get EVERYTHING I've posted here and TELL WHERE I "FLIP FLOPPED". Just another APA shill.
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