I'm not "dilusional" [sic]. And I'm not going to be happy sticking it to the man. I was just explaining to you how things work in the real business world by giving you a specific example.

 

1. I think some people are over estimating the value of the company not wanting to go into arbitration.

2. The total lost pay is about 5% over the next six years. Yes, it's real money but it's not the end of the world.

3. There's a VERY SLIGHT chance that percentage will get reduced if DL/UA sign an agreement prior to 1/1/2016. It will still be a loss but the amount will be reduced.

 

Bad choice C if you're that ****ed off about getting paid so poorly, quit and go to Delta.

 

I'm on an iPad, no spelling check.

Real business world? You think a highly paid sports figure's contract is the same as the hundreds of millions of others working in a corporate environment? Hell most people don't even have a contract.

A great example is how everyone is up in arms about having to go to work ONCE IN THREE MONTHS to do some bounces at night. What a joke!

Yep, definitely delusional.

 

That's what I was thinking reading this post......."twilight zone".

What MANY are saying is that they are PERFECTLY ready to accept what they voted for in the first place. Yet, you are here repeatedly arguing against that (taking what's offered) and now concurrently criticizing them for NOT doing that (accepting what we agreed to) ?

Totally illogical, unless..........

Look, Doug CAN have a Delta competitor for less then Delta pilots compensation (as a package) and the APA is willing to give him that, because lets face it we're not going to get that (as a package NOW), but that's not good enough for Doug. Doug wants MORE and he wants to do so convincing us we should be happy we are giving him Delta for even less then the inferior compensation we are willing to accept then Delta pilots do it for. Many senior Easties don't care and just want their drug, but I'm sorry, this ISN'T US Airways, it's AA. The "old" AA for sure, but if Doug wanted to really change this carrier like he promised and reneged on, he'd have not done this to us in this way. So, we take what WE agreed to and Doug gets the old AA which must be clearly what he's prepared to accept.

Let's get on with arbitration and MOVE ON !

 

That's fine....I've heard that ad nauseum from the East. All the more reason to give him EXACTLY what he wants. I'll accept pay rate bumps that will be higher then United and keep my present work rules and he can run his crap airline. He will get EXACTLY what he wants and we'll get what we agreed to. Of course it would seem silly for him to expect cooperation, consideration or a positive relationship.....hence, the "old" AA.

Everyone will at least then be on the same page and that's a good thing !

We ALL wanted positive change here as that was the PRIMARY reason APA thought Parker was the better bet. Obviously that was a mistake, so it appears the future is set and I see no differences then in the past and the past was a failure.

 

Sure, they're there, but that's just one end of the bell curve. The other end involves a few senior East guys who got stoned to the bejesus on MOU and are now frantic on how soon they can stick the needle in again before withdrawl starts. They're reading to start holding up Piggly Wiggly's to get their high.

Most of us exist somewhere in the middle of the bell.

 

I can't help but see this as another statement by someone aligned with management. It usually occurs when frustration in failing at making a convincing argument peaks and there's no other response left.

Just sayin..........

 

Nope - this is what Doug wants you to think. Right now bad choice B has so many unknowns you have no idea what concessions you will make.

If you don't listen to anything else that I say, know that the one thing that I have gleaned from being a "beaten down" US pilot is that if it ain't in very specific writing Parker will make your life miserable.
At the very moment that Parker got AA to throw Horton out, the employees became nothing but red ink- forever. Parker is never ever going to look at labor any other way. Shareholders like it. The board likes it. He's doing his job. At this point, I don't care which way this goes but at least know who you are dealing with. He is not offering you early money for nothin. You are not a human being. You are red ink and he will get it somewhere else.

 

And it is totally absurd for the vast majority of us. Those who could leave would have done so already and those who could leave but haven't still think that their lives will be different- and hopefully it will.