Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver

Pilots are in the same place they are because of idiots like yourself who are only out for what benefits me as the individual and not what benefits the collective. Since AWA purchased usless air the idiots on the east focused their undivided attention on harming pilots and not bettering their positions. Now new king idiot route66 wants more individual gains at the expense of the American pilots that gave up plenty over the years. The childish displays of insults and name calling you present when AA pilots tell you no way is indicative of the east way and places on full display your overwhelming GREED.

Now for the record all you have done is cut off your own noses to spite your faces and but for yet another merger you would still be on the industry embarrassing LOA93. Be happy that you got AA green book now and the you were successful in damaging so many fellow pilots careers with your greedy BS. GOD smiled upon you in the east and took pity and for that you need to s.t.f.u and just go along. Be a REAL UNION member for once instead of one from low life low rent op like the former and forever gone usapa.

I know you miss usapa but it is gone forever. In the words of Richard Sherman "YOU MAD BRO"?

WD at AWA

Originally Posted by kingairip

Or, how about this? Bad choice D..if you're that hissed off that your coworkers are such idiots and don't listen to you, quit and go to Delta.

(Oh..wait a minute...bad choice, maybe for inline. You have to pass a "knowledge test" and a "psyche eval" to get a class at Delta. Well...maybe United, then!)

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Certainly not ALL of them, maybe even not "most" of them. The CLT and PHL reps said the right things AFAIC. Now, here on this forum ?

Well, like it or not, let's just say there ARE a few junkies lurking about and some thinking about trying the drug they're trumpeting are falling for their tales of brave Ulysses.

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

This thread has become nothing more than the same 5 clowns driving their little cars in a circle, each one arguing that they are the lead car.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

The hypocrisy is astounding. Look in the mirror.

Your statement seems to be in step with the CLT and PHL APA reps who were, wait for it...The former USAPA reps and NAC chairman!

I think we're off to arbitration. I hope the APA does better there.

Originally Posted by inline five

Money isn't the #1 priority to me when it comes to a job. For some on here, it is, and that's unfortuante, but not unexpected.

Only place I wanted to work since a kid was US Air, it's been in the family for a long time, back to the Piedmont days.

I find it beyond childish that folks in the top couple % of income earners in the US lack the work ethic of those making $10/hr working at grocery stores however.

If you were Doug Parker, and owned your own company, and that is how the employees reacted to what has transpired, would you reward them?

Originally Posted by justjack

What ARE you talking about? (I started out at Piedmont BTW- ON B SCALE)I know that I am insulted, I just don't know how much. Also Doug does not "OWN" this company.

Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver

Hypocrisy? I have no idea what you are talking about. Did I agree to something between east and west then go back on that agreement? Hmmmm I seem to remember it quite differently. In any event congratulations on your win win. Finally got off loa93 and you managed to get out of agreed upon arbitration whereby destroying the careers of an entire airlines pilots.

I have no idea about anything within usapa never had my email and I burned everything they ever mailed me in the desert. Usapa was tossed off the reservation and good riddance.

WD at AWA

Originally Posted by inline five

I know it's the union game - do your job, nothing else, to "show the company". I get it, I really do.

Here's the thing. Are we ever going to be able to change DP & CO into the DL way of thinking? No, of course not. It's an exasperating exercise in futility.

So why spend hours upon hours arguing for it to happen?

Originally Posted by kingairip

aa73,
I like your posts and usually find you correct and very reasonable. But, this is wrong on so many levels. Let me take it from the top.



I don't know what it's going to take to convince you that your belief in Doug is unfounded. He is absolutely fine with arbitration. In fact, he probably has preferred it all along as TexasPilot (who is so often wrong) suggested. This isn't a "negotiating strategy". This is a cram down! What kind of "negotiating strategy" says take what I want or go to arbitration? It's a false choice. A damned-if-you-damned-if-you-don't scenario. A Kobayashi Maru exercise. And, Parker designed it all along. You see...here it is...Parker already believes he has a contract, because...he does!! We're set...in stone...until 2019. This is just another quid-pro-quo exercise. "I'll give you a little more if you give me these small things." "If you don't, then you already have a contract you should be VERY HAPPY with!" When we say no, which we inevitably will, and which he is counting on, then he'll tell anyone that will listen "I tried to make them the highest paid pilots in the entire universe..they just wouldn't do it." He'll say that at Crew News sessions, Town Halls, Conference Calls, interviews, you name it.

But...you say...he 'really doesn't want to lose the good will of the pilots.' Man...he couldn't give two sh!ts if we're happy or ****ed. Believe that! He does not care! That Freudian slip of his in the Town Hall was not a pre-planned comment designed to throw us off...that is his way of thinking! (I'm talking about "Employees don't affect the daily profits.") He really believes that. He knew he was making a mistake saying that out loud and he tried to back off it even as he was saying it...but it was too far gone and he was too late. At any rate, he's had POed pilots for a decade and still managed to make profits and impress Wall Street. He even got another pilot group to ignore his proven track record and propel him to the leadership role of the biggest airline in the world! So, in a way, the pilots at LAA validated him. He's proven his theory...he can make POed pilots work. I think the thinking around the APA about why the US Airways guys were so POed is..."well...those US Air [sic] are rookies. We'll show them how to run a union. We know how to make this operation come to a halt...those JV pilots over there aren't as smart as us." (You can see that attitude right here on this board with our very own eaglefly.) That hubris is why we are where we are today.



That's right. That's because this is not a negotiating strategy at all. It's an attempt to wring more concession.



Wrong again, mi amigo. We don't recoup the pay. The estimates on C&R show that rejecting the offer and going to arbitration will cost each pilot at least $60,000 (for junior FOs) and more than 6 figures for others. (Although, I still think arbitration is the right path at this point.) And, it's not two years earlier. The MOU runs through Dec 2018. Parker asked to run this contract through Jan 2020. That's only one year (but still completely unacceptable.) Still...let's be correct when we slam this offer.



Noboby is scared of arbitration (except maybe Route66 but even he is not scared. He just wants to make as much as he can before he's forced out. He doesn't care how it affects anybody else...but, hey! That's how pilots do!) But, what the company is offering today is much more than what we'd get anyway and we will not "almost completely recoup [it] at the end of 3 years with arbitration." That said...Let's get ready for arbitration, boys!