I can't find that in the protocol agreement. Perhaps you can show me.

I can understand why you don't want to delay things. I felt the same way about west pilots when they refused to have anything to do with USAPA at first and when you voted 97% for the MOU and THEN claimed it was illegal. F'em, move on.

This is a mess. I don't know what will happen. Maybe it will roll on and the outcome won't be any different, although we will never know.

I've voiced my concerns to my CBA. That's all I can do and it's up to the rest of the pilots to do what they think is right for them.

 

Looks like they were flows. 121 of them from Sep to Dec 2013. Last guys on property prior to them was 2001. The last AA guy on the proposed lists was the last dec 2013 flow.

 

What's your source on that?

The proposed lists end with guys hired or flowed before Dec 9, 2013. The committee agreed to that as the Constructive notice date and it states that anyone hired after that will be slotted by DOH.

We are forth listers and truly have no dog in this fight.

 

Cactus320,

I found this in the transcript from yesterday:

The Protocol Agreement does specifically
11 give the arbitrators the authority to resolve all
12 procedural matters regarding the arbitration, and
13 there is no provision in the Protocol Agreement that
14 addresses this situation, the withdrawal of a party.

The company wants to move on. They will probably get their way, they usually do.

 

Awesome. As an early '13 hire (pre announcement), I figured everything would be DOH after 2012. It's total BS that someone who was flying a 145 at Eagle when I was on the line at mainline could be slotted ahead of me..

* My percentages based on # people on seniority list thru the end of 2013 *
Current: .939
USAPA: .913
AA: .983
West: ? can't find spreadsheet

 

I wouldn't worry, it's highly unlikely that the final award will look anything like the aa proposed list, especially at the bottom. If you look at the way the lists were created the West list is very similar in methodology to how the dal/nwa and cal/ual lists were produced. The west also had expert input from a 3rd party that specializes in that. AA just slapped together a fantasy list with no legal basis or precedent.

Remember this is the first time AA has ever merged without some kind of staple job. They are out of their element and have never had to deal with MB or a seniority arbitration.

 

Jesus.

NONE of the three parties just "slapped together" anything and I STRONGLY doubt the arbitrators will see it that way either. The two SLI's you mention had similarities and differences with ours and to what degree the arbitrators include or add weight to them if they do include aspects of those methodologies is unknown. I realize you're angry (you certainly sound that way), but try to breathe a little.

There are still twists and turns that have yet to reveal themselves before all is said and done and the arbitrators look at all the relevant data and positions to craft what they believe is fair and equitable given the circumstances of THIS merger and SLI. In the end, they will make the best decision they see fit.

Remember, as Nicolau said "each case turns on its own facts" and they'll be able to sift through claims and assertions to find the facts.

 

So where is the legal basis or justification for moving all AA guys up a grouping ''vis-a-vis 50%"? (Besides saying the word 'Superior' repeatedly). Why vis-a-vis 50% and not 40%, or 63.7%? Where are the charts showing that mathematically that produces the fair result. AA so very obviously pulled this out of their backsides. Do you honestly think a panel of 3 arbitrators would just say "yeah we don't need all that math stuff, moving AA guys up exactly half a grouping seems about right."

 

Yup, the company is done playing games since it no longer suits their needs. We will know about the en banc hearing by the middle of July. You might be living with the Nic. shortly after that if it's denied, powerful evidence of the east attempting to evade the 9th's order already in hand and will be presented to Silver as evidence 10h is illegal and striking is only way to stop usapa forever.

 

Your history lesson is wrong. It's not the first AA merger that didn't have a staple job. And no one has ever had to deal with MB before they did for the first time. Be it DL/NW, SW/AT, UA/CO, or US/AW.

Regardless of the outcome the third listers will be the big winners.

And concerned about the AE guys, with AA seniority numbers, merging into the list at their seniority number? What's the solution you'd recommend? Pulling them out of the AA list and moving them back several thousand numbers? Or moving the third listers several thousand numbers forward into 1998 DOH's with guys that are Captains at AA?