This just makes you look like an angry poster. I have no experience whatsoever with anyone who has personally felt that they were deceived or coerced, or given the bait and switch. Nor have I heard of anybody being given an Atlas interview and then been told to go to the triple. I'm not saying is isn't happening but for as many people as I fly with and as many people as I talk to (and I personally know people in the training center as I am sure you will say you do as well), but this kind of report just hasn't made it's way to me via other channels except the rumor mill. Are you getting this all from the ATAM because it sure sounds like it? (you know that the ATAM is just for "entertainment" purposes right?).

I fly just like you and talk to umpteen people as well so unless you have details to substantiate your claims, your post will fall on to deaf ears as a previous poster also suggested thereby rendering your message useless.

So, unless you are a SOUTHERN pilot, how would you know?.....oh, wait, because it happened to a buddy, right? If you are a Southern pilot, you took the job so it can't be that bad. And if it is that bad, I am sure you are trying to leave. Have I covered all the bases?

You could have easily sent the same message minus the rhetoric and probably been more effective. just sayin.

 

Davetastic:

Ease up there buddy. The last two paragraphs of your post are very sarcastic.

Whether you want to believe it or not the company is offering Atlas Applicants interviews with Southern. I have 2 friends in that exact situation. Neither applied to Southern.

It is happening whether your sources in Miami have told you or not.

 

Don't feed that company troll. He has a history of it.

 

Dave, you are such a sad individual. You are either a management stooge (in which case I may have a modicum of respect for you.) Or you are a pathetic inadvertent apologist on their behalf. I will only address one or two points from your rant to spare the boredom of others. The ATAM may be entertaining, that does not mean it is for entertainment. Any adult who claims to be professional but ends a missive with "just sayin" will get the respect they deserve. The floor is all yours, I'm done engaging with you.

 

Yep, we now have our very own company version of LAXative.


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Just because you haven't heard personally doesn't mean it's not happening. I have a real life actual friend who I had reluctantly been assisting to get a job at Atlas (I'm now actively discouraging him). He applied to Atlas, and only Atlas, and was called with an offer to interview at Southern.

If a company accepts an application for one side that pays better and has better work rules and then offers an interview with the worse side you think that isn't at least a little bit shady? Especially when you throw in that the recruiter said the senority lists would be merged by the end of the year. When the CEO has openly said there will be no increase in compensation expenses for labor, you really think telling people the lists will be merged by year-end isn't deceptive?

 

My friend of 12 years interviewed with Atlas...was called and offered the 777. He declined. It is happening.

 

Dave, it sounds like you got hired here but can't leave for whatever reason and so now you don't want to hear all this trash talk about your employer. Maybe you want to pretend that Atlas is not all that bad. That's fine, but don't expect to convince the other 1400+ pilots that things aren't pretty catastrophic here.

And just because you choose to disbelieve what we say, that doesn't mean that what is said here is incorrect. But, you are getting very close to calling us liars and that is putting you in a class of people who are management tools. If you suspect someone has something wrong, help correct them in a constructive way. Don't belittle them. Don't challenge them. Don't be a jerk.

You say that you understand that the company is suing us, that we are underpaid, that we have a crap contract, that other pilots are leaving in large numbers, and yet you are STILL arguing with your fellow pilots about their observations and information. Almost every one of your posts is antagonistic against either the union or other crew members who are trying to warn aspiring Atlas pilots of the perils of this job.

You need to take some time to reflect on why you are so contrary and reevaluate why you end up trying to minimize and refute the reality of our situation.

This thread has been going for a few years now and is a valuable resource for pilots who want the inside story about getting hired and working at Atlas. Your posts so far add nothing constructive to the purpose of this discussion.

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+1 ..........

 

I don't like what is happening at Atlas any more than the very small handful of you posters that keep saying the same thing over and over again.....that the sky is falling! And you same posters take things WAY too personally! This is an open internet forum designed to do what we are doing; We are debating an on topic subject of hiring at Atlas. But, just because someone calls it rhetoric or tells you to tone it down, you come unglued with personal attacks against that individual. An effective argument is won with decisive facts, not by yelling the same point over and over again even louder.

I am not trying to persuade any of you away from your fervor and motivation for a better contract but you ALL yourselves have acknowledged the following facts in one form or another:

• The company keeps finding pilots.

• The company has a team of cutthroat lawyers that they are using to engage us and the union.

• The company has money and they are not giving us any.

You have all at one point or another also made the following points among several others but these will suffice to make the point:

• Atlas is in a crisis.

• This place is a **** show.

• if the check airmen would all just quit then we would bring this place to its knees.

• We are in danger of losing contracts

The first three points can be easily substantiated and have been done so numerous times ad nauseam, 10K, 10Q, etc. The latter points are just opinions or hypothetical scenarios. I am just a laborer here but the way I see it, we are losing. The company is apparently playing their cards properly seemingly with a trump card in their hand and our union doesn't seem to have an answer for any of the moves the company has made. The big players like DHL and Amazon are moving forward with Atlas as a partner and there doesn't seem to be any signs of that coming apart. When we run around like chickens with our heads cut off, ranting and raving about wanting money just makes us look like very little fish in a big sea. Acting like this in my opinion lends credibility to the notion that the company is treating us in proportion to our behavior.

So, to a prospective candidate that would like to come to this way off topic thread that has turned into a whining platform, what are they to believe after hearing unsubstantiated rants? They will not only stop reading but will not believe them either and will go elsewhere for information. What is left is a group of the same handful of posters patting each other on the back spouting the same garbage to each other said different ways each time yelling louder and shooting insults at those who dissent.


From a business standpoint, I don't agree with Atlas' tactics but I understand it enough to accept that this is part of the decision that I made to fly at Atlas. So why the insults? You can all certainly dish out sarcasm so please learn to take it as well. I agree with your points as I have always stated, just not your methods conveying that information.