Originally Posted by dera

I assume you are from Australia?

No, in the US you can not have non-CASS (read: crewmembers and very few selected and screened people) to ride on a flight deck. Cargo planes do not have any seats that are not considered FD, so this is not possible.

Originally Posted by Elevation

I see your point. The reason I zero in on the Qantas flying from HNL is that flying in particular saw airplanes stop flying for Qantas as we came online woth the same type on thr same routes using the same callsigns. Other flying, say for Cathay, NCA or others didn't come at direct loss of tails for another carrier.

There were Qantas pilots accusing us of doing exactly to them what Australian labor is being used for here.

As you say, the problem is not with the pilots taking an opportunity.

Originally Posted by zerozero

And while we're fine tuning our vocabulary, I'd like to offer this correction in the spirit of "mentoring" people who are new to the screwed up way we arrive at legally binding documents like our "contract".

The contract was never ratified. It could have been! But the company spent hundreds of millions of dollars and six years fighting us to explicitly avoid ratification.

Ratification happens after the document passes a vote by the union membership. Theoretically, the company and union negotiate until reaching a "tentative agreement" (TA). The TA is then put out for a vote. The vote either fails or passes. If the vote passes then the document is ratified.

That's not what happens in real life at Atlas Air. Historically, at Atlas Air, the company buys another operation which triggers a clause in the contract which said the two parties will negotiate for 9 months and then all remaining sections go to a "independent" (ha!) 3rd party arbitrator. Naturally, only the biggest and most important sections would be left remaining.

The arbitrator would then produce a document, bless it, and impose it on the union membership for a length of time to be determined only by him.

Now, as alluded to by Elevation, we may have new owners (deal remains to be done). So, who knows? Maybe business will be done differently in the future.

But that's a short course in the history of labor relations at Atlas Air for anyone who is interested.

Originally Posted by dera

What's the point of applying when there is no legal pathway for an employer sponsored visa?

To answer the see what happens, here's what will happen:

"Do you have the legal right to work in the USA without sponsorship?"
"No"
"Thank You for your time".

Originally Posted by atpcliff

Because then he can post on here and other people can see that it's not possible to be hired if you aren't from Australia and don't have green card/passport, and won't be wasting their time.
I have seen nothing official from the company on who they hire. I have heard multiple times from new hires, or potential new hires that they were told something different from what you are saying.

Note: I just looked at the official Atlas Air qualifications for pilots. They require a passport with the ability to travel worldwide, unrestricted. That is all. No mention of US passport, green card, visa...nothing else. If there is a requirement, then HR needs to change the minimum requirements on their hiring page.

Originally Posted by atpcliff

Because then he can post on here and other people can see that it's not possible to be hired if you aren't from Australia and don't have green card/passport, and won't be wasting their time.
I have seen nothing official from the company on who they hire. I have heard multiple times from new hires, or potential new hires that they were told something different from what you are saying.

Note: I just looked at the official Atlas Air qualifications for pilots. They require a passport with the ability to travel worldwide, unrestricted. That is all. No mention of US passport, green card, visa...nothing else. If there is a requirement, then HR needs to change the minimum requirements on their hiring page.

Originally Posted by atpcliff

Because then he can post on here and other people can see that it's not possible to be hired if you aren't from Australia and don't have green card/passport, and won't be wasting their time.
I have seen nothing official from the company on who they hire. I have heard multiple times from new hires, or potential new hires that they were told something different from what you are saying.

Note: I just looked at the official Atlas Air qualifications for pilots. They require a passport with the ability to travel worldwide, unrestricted. That is all. No mention of US passport, green card, visa...nothing else. If there is a requirement, then HR needs to change the minimum requirements on their hiring page.

Originally Posted by Atlasvet

You just don’t get it. It is really simple

ONE MUST HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES!!!!

You can’t do this with a French, Panamanian, Canadian, Portuguese Passport.

There are simple ways to get the RIGHT TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES

A US passport
A Green card
An E-3 visa (only available for Aussies)
Marry an American and get a visa

All the other passports require another type of visa, which is very expensive and takes a really long time to procure.
ATLAS DOES NOT SPONSOR NOR CURRENTLY ENCOURAGE THESE OTHER VISAS.

Originally Posted by atpcliff

They found out it was very difficult. Just having planes and pilots is one thing. Getting the freight (sales network), where to store it (warehousing), how to get it cross border (Customs), how to get it to/from the airport (ground transport), etc., etc. is quite complicated.

Originally Posted by atpcliff

Some of the reasons we are flying for Qatas was discussed.
Another reason I heard: Qantas looked into to starting freight flying to replace us, since they did have the 747 aircraft. They found out it was very difficult. Just having planes and pilots is one thing. Getting the freight (sales network), where to store it (warehousing), how to get it cross border (Customs), how to get it to/from the airport (ground transport), etc., etc. is quite complicated.

Qantas added a 747 from Atlas, and is now using three 747-400s, is the last I heard.