FDX - APR Disputed Pairings
03-17-2008 | 01:05 PM
#31
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From: A300 F/O
Can we revise the above term to "non-paying, non-member"? I am seriously consdiering becoming a "dues-paying" non-member if ALPA decides to endorse any candidate for president. Fire away.
03-17-2008 | 02:11 PM
#32
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I will be right after you. The only draw back I see is being unable to vote on issues, but that really doesn't seem to matter anyway.
03-17-2008 | 02:44 PM
#33
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OK, so you will be non-member herkdriver. Unless you were a NM prior to August 2006, any new NM is a dues paying NM. ALPA will endorse a candidate just like every other union in the country and it will probably be a Dem. Those are just the facts. It's not new, so I don't see why you say IF ALPA endorses.
03-17-2008 | 03:32 PM
#34
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From: 777 FO
Excuse me but I’m a dues paying member that has never flown a DP nor even “mistakenly” volunteered for one. I said what I did hoping to elicit some frank conversation about my thoughts on the current state of our union. I did not however question anyone’s character, integrity, or ethics and I certainly don’t appreciate mine being questioned. Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. I do however appreciate the comments of many of you (Gunter, FDXLAG, jlo007, v1 uh-oh, and pdo bump) and will rethink my position. Whether you agree or not I have the right to voice my professional opinion and expect the same in return.
03-17-2008 | 04:43 PM
#36
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Freedom
Post away Bandit. Not only is it your right to express your opinion I think it is your obligation. Particularly since you expressed yourself in a professional manner. Where are we as a union (and as a pilot for that matter) if we can't identify our weaknesses, fix them, and get better? I don't mind if the Capt debriefs me on things I could do better on, as long as it's constructive...but mostly we don't have that kind of time to cover it all.
The union should be the same way, and by and large I think the leaders do want constructive comments i.e. they beg for email, want lots at the hub turn meetings, etc. I'd like to see them send out a questionaire soliciting opinions on the top 5 or 10 issues facing the pilot force or what we want to see in the next contract.
The union should be the same way, and by and large I think the leaders do want constructive comments i.e. they beg for email, want lots at the hub turn meetings, etc. I'd like to see them send out a questionaire soliciting opinions on the top 5 or 10 issues facing the pilot force or what we want to see in the next contract.
03-17-2008 | 05:02 PM
#37
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From: 57 Capt
bandit, many of us are frustrated just like you are. just tired of hearing all of the excuses out there by the DP fliers. i know this system isn't the best, but it is what we have. that's why i give albie so much credit (and called all of my buds to vote for him).
keep the faith, and yes, bandit, this can be a good forum for discussion. i think we just jump on each other like we were in the squadron over beers.
maybe there is a better way to do this.....any good ideas?
keep the faith, and yes, bandit, this can be a good forum for discussion. i think we just jump on each other like we were in the squadron over beers.
maybe there is a better way to do this.....any good ideas?
03-17-2008 | 05:52 PM
#39
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Revisionist History
Our collective union says disputed pairings are onerous and are potentially detrimental to safety. Without published supporting rationale we’re supposed to blindly follow their guidance. .........
I for one am done with blindly following union recommendations and will assess DPs based upon my own evaluation of the pairing in question. I quite sure there are numerous others that feel likewise. :
I for one am done with blindly following union recommendations and will assess DPs based upon my own evaluation of the pairing in question. I quite sure there are numerous others that feel likewise. :
Last edited by Laughing_Jakal; 03-17-2008 at 06:02 PM. Reason: Not worth it
03-17-2008 | 06:29 PM
#40
Ok, No more sleeping Dog
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From: MD-11, F/O
Excuse me but I’m a dues paying member that has never flown a DP nor even “mistakenly” volunteered for one. I said what I did hoping to elicit some frank conversation about my thoughts on the current state of our union. I did not however question anyone’s character, integrity, or ethics and I certainly don’t appreciate mine being questioned. Some of you guys need to take a chill pill. I do however appreciate the comments of many of you (Gunter, FDXLAG, jlo007, v1 uh-oh, and pdo bump) and will rethink my position. Whether you agree or not I have the right to voice my professional opinion and expect the same in return.
Individually assessing DP's on your own criteria is simply a selfish excuse to fly them if you see fit (plusing up the line, or any other selfish need). Followership is a lost art. all thinkers ("my own criteria") seem to think they are smarter than than average bear. Bottom line is........if your a member, toe the line.......if not, then you are revealed as what you are......a non-member in members clothing, hiding until your own selfish needs overide your need for anonimity. No more ....no less.
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