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04-01-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG

It is not really a "vote" if 5% of the crew force can decide the election.

Yes it make sense to dispute the pairing if one segment is bad. Good news Mr. Johnson 9 of your 10 major organs are in excellent shape.

Of course it's a vote. A vote by your actions and all the crew force decides based on their crew position. Some vote along party lines (never pick up DPs or always pickup DPs) and others take a strong look at the candidates. As for your organ analogy, you are comparing apples to bowling balls, Mr. Johnson. Any solutions or is the process perfect in your mind?

04-01-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BonesF15

Sure it is, all the company has to do is slap a DH on a turd and we will fight to pick it up.
3 months later it is not disputed any longer and they put that 1 crappy day at the end of a 10 day crappy trip...voila 11 day crappy trip.
Rocket science

(CDG-STN-MEM//CDG-MAN-MEM) Three months later and the sequence is no longer disputed and removed. The other XX days can remain the same. Are all 11 days painful if only one of them is really bad? Really? Any solutions or is the process perfect in your mind?

04-01-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunter

Onetime,

If you don't want a pairing disputed, e-mail the PSIT. They are crewmembers just like us. They just spend one week every other month building the schedule.

Of course they will try to explain why they think it should stay disputed. But if you, and others, are not swayed and pick them up the pairing will leave the dispute process and eventually end up on a line. You will eventually get to have it the way you want it. The PSIT doesn't have the power to tell anyone how to fly if they don't want to follow their lead. You may learn something from the PSIT about your particular pairing or the big picture. You may know all that already. But the PSIT will definitely learn what one of the crewmembers is thinking. It may affect their building. They literally beg for more than the occasional "you suck" type of e-mail.

It is a pain for the PSIT guys to put pairings in for dispute. I believe they are doing it because they don't want to fly those types of trips either. Who else really looks out for your schedule other than the PSIT? I would not be so quick to dismiss the PSIT guys just because you don't currently talk to them. They are human and could choose to let a bunch turds start floating by if no one supports their work. Pairings often get fixed before they ever end up on a line or in open time.

Gunter-
I agree with you on this board 9 times out of 10 and I agree with you here. I'm not downplaying the PSITat all. They do good work, I've flown with them, jumpseated with them, picked their brains and I read all of their notes for every airframe, every month. It's our contract with regard to scheduling and the current process that artificially ties their hands and makes their job more difficult and less encompassing than it needs to be. We can all continue to complain about guys flying DPs right up until contract time or figure out how to make the process better. That's all.

04-01-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by onetime

It is not a vote in the traditional sense if 1 person can overrule the opinion of 100 people. If that were the case we would never have a winner.

As for your analogy. Lets say the company wants to fly EWR-BOS-IND with scheduled 2.5 hour turns and a 10 hour duty day. In reallty it ends up 13 hour duty days. The SIG disputes it and no one picks it up. Next month the company slaps a 48 hour layover and DH on each end. The sequence gets picked up everytime. The dispute is lost. Guess what happens to those deadheads and layovers two months down the road.

04-01-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG

Which is exactly why sequence EWR-BOS-IND, with its 2.5hr turns, needs to be disputed, not trip 6969 and its 100hr layovers in Times Square, front and analend DH's, those are red herrings. And when the 10hr duty days go to 13hrs based on company issues (unrealistic turns, unrealistic ground times, aircraft position, or whatever else could go in this category), that extra should turn into 150% somewhere else in the contract. Think about using the entire alphabet, not just the letters D and P.

04-01-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by onetime

How can you logically argue EWR-BOS-IND is a grueling duty day with a legal rest period in front but not grueling if you put a good deal in front? Bottomline in Cuba your one vote can cancel out the rest of the crew force but here it shouldn't. 90% of us voted for the last contract with this disputed pairing format. But it will only work if 100% of us support it. You want it improved so do I, but right now this is what we got.

04-01-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG

LAG, EWR-BOS-IND was your example. How do you get a scheduled 10hr duty day from one 2.5hr turn in BOS? Anyway, not to drag this out because nothing is really solved on this board, only vented. The FDA LOA is recent evidence of that. 90% of us, I included, voted on the contract and this DP format. The thing is, your above example probably (more detail would be needed) complies with that same contract regardless of deadheads and layover length. I've can't remember a recent SIG note that said "Disputed Pairing XX is in direct violation of the contract." One thing this FDA funny business should teach us for the next time around is that if it's not spelled out in black and white, it's gray. And gray is an opportunity for the company to stick it to us, again. Dude, I'm sorry, happy hour is approaching and I'm out. Hope to fly with you one day.

04-01-2008, 12:48 PM

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04-01-2008, 01:07 PM

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If you get stuck flying one of these things on reserve, make sure to log on to the ALPA web sight and fill out the SIG ***** sheet about it. I just did it and it takes about 5 minutes.

04-02-2008, 07:02 AM

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Disputed Pairings - April 2008 

Below are the disputed pairings for the April Bid Pack. The SIG Notes will be distributed at a later time.  

B727 – 37, 52, 53, 54, 55, 62, 63
  
A300 – None

DC10 – None

MD11 LAX – 19, 25, 2007, 2010

MD11 ANC – 30, 31, 80, 81, 82, 83, 91, 102, 158, 2031, 2073, 2074

MD11 MEM – 3, 4, 11, 17, 48, 68, 103, 108, 118, 119, 124, 126, 186,
208, 239, 273, 276, 279, 337, 427, 448, 475, 482, 545, 672, 673, 2003,
2007, 2009, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2023, 2025, 2027, 2054, 2073