UPS Realignment/Displacement bid is out!
02-02-2009, 10:06 AM
#171
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Position: MD-11 galley operator
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
SS Bob ... good words.
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
02-02-2009, 10:09 AM
#172
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Position: MD-11 galley operator
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
Well, it depends on how you look at things but right after 9/11 the Airtran union agreed to a temporary pay freeze (not pay cut!); I think they’d just signed a new contract and were getting yearly pay increases at the time (sort of like we are right now) so basically they put those pay increases on hold for a year I believe. I cannot remember the exact time frame but when the agreement was penciled in it actually specified when their pay would go back to normal.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
02-02-2009, 10:49 AM
#173
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: ONT f/o
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My offering
I'd be willing to accept a 5% pay raise to fund my contributions to the medical funds of the furloughed.
Oh, and I'd be willing to allow Lick Barr to ki$$ my a**.
And how senior am I? Well if you look at the last name on the list, you won't be red hot, but plenty warm!
Oh, and I'd be willing to allow Lick Barr to ki$$ my a**.
And how senior am I? Well if you look at the last name on the list, you won't be red hot, but plenty warm!
02-02-2009, 11:03 AM
#174
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Position: Spartan
Posts: 3,652
Originally Posted by SonnyD
I'd be willing to accept a 5% pay raise to fund my contributions to the medical funds of the furloughed.
Oh, and I'd be willing to allow Lick Barr to ki$$ my a**.
And how senior am I? Well if you look at the last name on the list, you won't be red hot, but plenty warm!
Oh, and I'd be willing to allow Lick Barr to ki$$ my a**.
And how senior am I? Well if you look at the last name on the list, you won't be red hot, but plenty warm!
02-02-2009, 04:55 PM
#176
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 983
Further number crunching below in blue...
Originally Posted by Roberto
FO over-60 bidders – 43 (Between 63-64 as of June 15, 2009) - 7 & between 64-65 - 5
FE over-60 bidders – 40 (Between 63-64 as of June 15, 2009) - 13 & between 64-65 - 6
Five of the FE's turn 65 after the effective date (June 15) but before the end of the year. UPS hasn't disclosed what the bypass age is going to be, other than "Crewmembers that will be between the ages of 63 and 65, contractual bypass-able age, by the effective date of this bid, will probably be trained for any bid awarded." We'll have to wait to see what they do, I guess.
There are about a dozen of the over-60 FO and FE bidders on medicals. UPS has been awarding them vacancies, but not all bid. Occasionally UPS reawards a vacancy if the medical is not predicted to come back, but not usually. We'll have to wait and see on those, also.
With 57 original FO vacancies, and the recurring FO vacancies that result from the 46 original CPT vacancies, there will close to 100 FO total vacancies.
But then, two weeks later, comes the Displacement Bid award....
FE over-60 bidders – 40 (Between 63-64 as of June 15, 2009) - 13 & between 64-65 - 6
Five of the FE's turn 65 after the effective date (June 15) but before the end of the year. UPS hasn't disclosed what the bypass age is going to be, other than "Crewmembers that will be between the ages of 63 and 65, contractual bypass-able age, by the effective date of this bid, will probably be trained for any bid awarded." We'll have to wait to see what they do, I guess.
There are about a dozen of the over-60 FO and FE bidders on medicals. UPS has been awarding them vacancies, but not all bid. Occasionally UPS reawards a vacancy if the medical is not predicted to come back, but not usually. We'll have to wait and see on those, also.
With 57 original FO vacancies, and the recurring FO vacancies that result from the 46 original CPT vacancies, there will close to 100 FO total vacancies.
But then, two weeks later, comes the Displacement Bid award....
02-09-2009, 09:54 AM
#178
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Posts: 534
Originally Posted by b2pilot186
So when do the numbers come out for the realignment vacancy bid? I haven't seen any data on the flightops website yet.
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