UPS Realignment/Displacement bid is out!
02-01-2009 | 11:48 PM
#171
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02-02-2009 | 03:54 AM
#172
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Cracking me up. Next time, we are taxiing into Clark I guess we'll see 20 of the ground guys holding up a sign saying, "Welcome Home Granpa".
I knew I shouldn't have given up drinking this week.
FF
I knew I shouldn't have given up drinking this week.
FF
02-02-2009 | 08:21 AM
#173
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From: MD11 CPT
Well, it depends on how you look at things but right after 9/11 the Airtran union agreed to a temporary pay freeze (not pay cut!); I think they’d just signed a new contract and were getting yearly pay increases at the time (sort of like we are right now) so basically they put those pay increases on hold for a year I believe. I cannot remember the exact time frame but when the agreement was penciled in it actually specified when their pay would go back to normal.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
That is (pardon the over-used/tired phrase) a slippery slope, and one that the company would gladly use fire bombers to coat with Pam, and:
Like bridge/tunnel tolls (which were always supposed to be "temporary") we'd never get givebacks "back" as there will always be a crisis of some sort. (aka: the Obama Doctrine)
It would set a precedent that like our long lost "retro-pay" would haunt us forever.
Would destroy the hard earned gains that we sacrificed so much else for (ie: our shrinking QOL).
And please don't throw out the "have you ever been furloughed" card, because I have been twice, or the "this isn't a fraternity, hazing is so over" card either. In a "perfect" world, true socialism is on paper the best human system, but due to being human it simply doesn't work. While I'm certainly willing to pay assessments for health insurance, and likely other ways of minimizing the incentive should the company actually pull the trigger (O/T and J/A bans and hazing those who don't fall in line), I will draw the line at pay cuts. Management would certainly take the bait and then use another excuse to furlough, leaving you with that toddler who just had a toy stolen look on your face.
Don't panic...
02-02-2009 | 08:44 AM
#174
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From: Doggie
SS Bob ... good words.
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
02-02-2009 | 08:46 AM
#175
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From: Spartan
SS Bob ... good words.
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
02-02-2009 | 10:06 AM
#176
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From: MD-11 galley operator
SS Bob ... good words.
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
02-02-2009 | 10:09 AM
#177
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From: MD-11 galley operator
Well, it depends on how you look at things but right after 9/11 the Airtran union agreed to a temporary pay freeze (not pay cut!); I think they’d just signed a new contract and were getting yearly pay increases at the time (sort of like we are right now) so basically they put those pay increases on hold for a year I believe. I cannot remember the exact time frame but when the agreement was penciled in it actually specified when their pay would go back to normal.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
02-02-2009 | 10:49 AM
#178
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From: ONT f/o
My offering
I'd be willing to accept a 5% pay raise to fund my contributions to the medical funds of the furloughed.
Oh, and I'd be willing to allow Lick Barr to ki$$ my a**.
And how senior am I? Well if you look at the last name on the list, you won't be red hot, but plenty warm!
Oh, and I'd be willing to allow Lick Barr to ki$$ my a**.
And how senior am I? Well if you look at the last name on the list, you won't be red hot, but plenty warm!
02-02-2009 | 11:03 AM
#179
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From: Spartan
Is this my former Air Midwest bud...?
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