UPS Realignment/Displacement bid is out!
02-01-2009, 03:40 PM
#161
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Originally Posted by J Dawg
In your scenario, lets say a junior FE is initially awarded A300 FO. But two weeks later during the Displacement Bid, he is then displaced from A300 FO to ANC FO (instead of back to DC-8 FE as per desired system bid). All of this happens before the effective date of the bid, and while still serving as an FE. Does he now have displacement rights (no two year seat lock), even though it is an "upgrade"?
Also, 747-400 is no longer in its first year of service, thus the transition rules revert to normal, that is, a one year seat lock instead of two.
I just re-read your example and if you are currently in the SDF domicile as a DC8 FE and you get an A300 FO also in the SDF domicile in the R/V bid, and if you subsequently get displaced, then you can downgrade back to FE to stay in your domicile. Again, talk to IPA to get more information, and also to Manpower Planning.
Last edited by Roberto; 02-01-2009 at 06:00 PM. Reason: added paragraph
02-01-2009, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
... Have you ever worked for a company that has lowered pay to reduce furlows? Has lowering pilot pay ever helped a part 121 company? NEVER lower pay or BLG. Such a mistake. Let me come back to a good place to work. Not some piece of crap gutted contract.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
Last edited by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE; 02-01-2009 at 11:39 PM.
02-01-2009, 11:48 PM
#166
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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy
... I said I would take a paycut if the alternative was IPA brothers and sisters on the street, including you...
Although I'd make it a sliding scale paycut by starting off with a 50% or so paycut for those over 60... You ok with that Roberto?
02-02-2009, 03:54 AM
#167
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Cracking me up. Next time, we are taxiing into Clark I guess we'll see 20 of the ground guys holding up a sign saying, "Welcome Home Granpa".
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02-02-2009, 08:21 AM
#168
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
Well, it depends on how you look at things but right after 9/11 the Airtran union agreed to a temporary pay freeze (not pay cut!); I think they’d just signed a new contract and were getting yearly pay increases at the time (sort of like we are right now) so basically they put those pay increases on hold for a year I believe. I cannot remember the exact time frame but when the agreement was penciled in it actually specified when their pay would go back to normal.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
They did not furlough one single person after 9/11.
I’m not saying that’s what we should have because we are making money and therefore it’s not even an option.
However, me personally I would be willing to do whatever takes to make sure we NEVER furlough one single pilot. EVER!
I’m saying it today as a junior pilot and I promise you I’ll feel the same way as a senior captain.
To me a union is an association that protects and fights for ALL its members, not just the senior ones and lets the junior members take the full brunt of the slowdown/recession/lay offs, etc.
That is (pardon the over-used/tired phrase) a slippery slope, and one that the company would gladly use fire bombers to coat with Pam, and:
Like bridge/tunnel tolls (which were always supposed to be "temporary") we'd never get givebacks "back" as there will always be a crisis of some sort. (aka: the Obama Doctrine)
It would set a precedent that like our long lost "retro-pay" would haunt us forever.
Would destroy the hard earned gains that we sacrificed so much else for (ie: our shrinking QOL).
And please don't throw out the "have you ever been furloughed" card, because I have been twice, or the "this isn't a fraternity, hazing is so over" card either. In a "perfect" world, true socialism is on paper the best human system, but due to being human it simply doesn't work. While I'm certainly willing to pay assessments for health insurance, and likely other ways of minimizing the incentive should the company actually pull the trigger (O/T and J/A bans and hazing those who don't fall in line), I will draw the line at pay cuts. Management would certainly take the bait and then use another excuse to furlough, leaving you with that toddler who just had a toy stolen look on your face.
Don't panic...
02-02-2009, 08:44 AM
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SS Bob ... good words.
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
02-02-2009, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
SS Bob ... good words.
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
I am in the bottom 5% and obviously close to the fire. Been there done that elsewhere ... FWIW
DON'T give up a thing in this contract.
DO support furloughees with health care !
DO haze the noncompliant in an open time ban !
But DON'T give up one penny or work rule. Even the SDF catering !
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