aibal

You were not without a contract, you operated under the old one.

aibal

I'm not on any committees but I did take the time to get educated about this TA. There is plenty I don't like. The alternative is much worse though.

The vote no signs were a nice touch to the same walls that had the nazi quotes from hermann goering.

MrBigAir

I'd take a contract over NO CONTRACT.

50% deadhead pay sure beats 0% deadhead pay. Last day of stand-up considered OFF day vs. last day counts as work day? Hmmm, I'd vote contract again. No Block or Better vs Block or Better? Contract wins again.

Regional airlines = My FirRst AirLine. They suck. They all suck. A contract is better than nothing. Big picture. Think, big picture.




Oh, my record-- 10 legs. In one day.

Squawk2112

Ummm.. How about the the monthly garauntee going from 82 to 75? And now only 12 bid periods as opposed to 13?. To me that sounds like a pay cut. Many pilots on reserve and who want to be home more often rely on the 82 hours. Its a pay cut.

aibal

How I understand this it cannot be a pay cut. Even if they made you all of a sudden start bidding less hours than you do now it's still a pay raise. Everyone is still going fly and bid the same hours as now though because if not they have to hire more. The only difference is that now you can actually accrue more hours. (block or better, etc). The hours you bid are also guaranteed now because of the cancellation pay clause. In the roadshow they explained all of this. Unless they cancel your first turn on the first day of you trip your hours are all pay protected from your bid. The min reserve line will be 80 hours and for everday you fly more than 4 you get the overage. Reserve lines could easily pay more than 90 hours per month and at the new pay rates that's a lot more money. I'd suggest you watch the roadshow video they put online today. Made a believer out of me. I'm looking at an $8,000 raise or more!

Flitestar

Want a sucker or a smiley face sticker? Got 'em both!!

Squawk2112

How can you fly 83 hours plus a month without keeping your sanity and QOL? Monthly garuntee is everything and 82 hour which currently stands is pretty nice. For you to get 8000 dollar raise you are going to have to do four 4 days a month. I hope you enjoy that schedule. If the pay increase was 4 or 5 dollars than I see a reason to vote yes.

DirectTo

As I said earlier, no one expected management to give a Piedmont contract. It's the first round, concessions have to be made for an agreement to be reached. However, I would prefer to fight for a better contract for new hires down the road than take my own immediate benefits now and then leave it still below industry standard for the forseeable future.

I went to one of the Cleveland shows and was not impressed. Two and a half hours of rambling, ridiculously specific examples, little citations of definitive benefit for the masses, and the typical ALPA rah-rah; then time for just a few questions (several of which were just answered with "trust us") before they hushed us along. I'm sorry, I don't have a lot of "trust" right now.

The wonderful part of the whole scenario is it doesn't matter what any of us argue on a message board...at ten AM tomorrow we can start voting, and within two weeks we'll have an answer. Things will be changing regardless, and we're all along for the ride.

aibal

Everyone is bidding about 76 hours every 28 days now, that converts to over 82 hours per calender month. Its exactly the same. The only difference in the TA is that your bid hours go over the guarantee. All hours are still guaranteed unless you get your first turn canceled before you start your trip. The above 82 part is just credits you add on top of your bid value.(And you wont fly 82 with cancellations, but you still get the pay) You fly and bid the exact same as you do now, you get paid the higher rate. It's almost all pay protected. It doesnt seem like it is that simple, but it is. Min days off is also going up to 12 lineholder, 11 reserve so i don't see myself working any more days. Seriously, watch the roadshow, the math makes sense. I was just as skeptical too.

aibal

What exactly was it that you were expecting that is not in this TA? Sure the pay is not piedmont but its a big improvement. There are tons of new beneficial things in there. Seriously what is it that you think they can gain given the time it will take to gain it that would be worth it? To me it looks as close to what everyone else has as I think you could expect.