404yxl

Shouldn't have waited to hire pilots.

jarretk

On a side note: Can someone remind me where to go on Deltanet to see the future flying that is planned.

tunes

Shouldn't have waited to upgrade people either.....story of tsh.....Nickel holding up a dollar


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AluminumFoil

They didn't stop hiring/interviewing pilots, they just didn't get the ok to train people. There was a pool last year, I have flown with plenty who sat around waiting once the AA anouncement happened.

barabek

I think the June schedules are so terrible because the trips were absolutely atrocious. I don't think I've seen anything like that before (at least in LAX). I'm very undemanding bidder asking for weekdays off and bidding 35-ish% in the base, and I couldn't hold commutable schedule because there were so few credit-rich trips. Most of the 4 days were built at 19-20h range. If this is going to be that way in the future, get ready for minimum days off every month. I'm hoping it's the transition period between the new flying and SEA opening/DTW closing, and when the dust settles down the trips get more productive and our schedules improve...

BlueMoon

Lots of shorter legs don't make great schedules.

On an unrelated note, rumors are we are going back to LGA at some point later this year. Enjoy that one!

RTRD

Same story in MSP. June in the worst schedule I've had in 5 years at CP. 88 block/93 cred, 11 off and couldn't hold a 5 day stretch off at 58% seniority. That's bidding everything for max time off with just some day off requests like I always do. Trips are lots of short legs with crap credit.

I'm curious if it has anything to do with the union's scheduling committee being cut out of seeing the pre-awards last month. Many times they would catch things and have the bids rerun. According to the contract we have the right to have our union officers involved in the schedule creation and bidding process. I don't believe this is being honored by the company right now. I think they're counting the summer being over by the time the union can rectify the situation.

FlyingGorilla

The PBS committee still get the pre-awards. They just aren't allowed to share them with the rest anymore, until they come out officially. It's easy to find major errors, it's the suttle ones that are difficult to find. We have all the input into schedule creation that the contract allows us.

The pairing analysis committee are the ones that have input to pairing creation, not the PBS committee. So, if you're upset about the crappy 19hr 4-day that you have...call them.

Honestly, most of the time what people perceive as errors is just an over valuation of their seniority vs. the flying that is getting covered.

RTRD

Good to know the union is still getting a chance to look things over, I'd be very concerned otherwise. As far as over-reaching my schedule. I know where I sit and how I bid and what I can usually hold. I think I just got very unlucky with the coverage days.

That said the trips are crap but it's just because of the kinds low credit flying DL has us doing out of MSP this summer. So garbage in, garbage out I guess regardless of what the pairing analysis committee can do. Don't read me wrong here, I'm nothing but thankful for all the work our union volunteers do. All our volunteers are awesome and do great work.

There was an error that squeaked through that I need to email the contract committee or someone about though. I got a call from crew scheduling today telling me that my PBS award had me scheduled to fly over 100 in 167 so they dropped a MDW turn off a trip. I think that really sucks because I never should have gotten that trip on my award at all if wasn't legal. My bid award could have looked completely different....and I don't think there's anyway it could have turn led out worse so I probably would have benefitted.

FlyingGorilla

You've obviously been around long enough that you 'get it'. Coverage days are usually the culprit in a bad schedule.

The benefit of seeing the pre-awards is that they would have caught that descrepency in your schedule, but the 'off the table' agreement was that NO ONE should make more work for the planners by calling them directly, and always go through the committee. Not everybody followed those rules, and now we're stuck with what minimal input the company wants.

It's true with the crap in, crap out of trips. Hopefully when the hiring/upgrades calm down, schedules will get settle out at a normal distribution.