Compass Updates - Saga Continues
08-23-2017, 03:41 AM
#6861
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: On the right hand side
Posts: 665
Here are the strings. To be fair it said up to 10k per referral when they said details to come.
I still love how this method has three gates that the referred pilot must pass through in order for them to pay. Then my second favorite part is when they say should the referred employee leave you're not going to receive the remainder of your bonus.
Again they are trying not to pay up. If you depart Compass for greener pastures, you don't get paid, if your buddy punches out, you don't get paid in full.
I still love how this method has three gates that the referred pilot must pass through in order for them to pay. Then my second favorite part is when they say should the referred employee leave you're not going to receive the remainder of your bonus.
Again they are trying not to pay up. If you depart Compass for greener pastures, you don't get paid, if your buddy punches out, you don't get paid in full.
08-23-2017, 05:28 AM
#6862
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,267
Originally Posted by Parkedplane
I feel like it's going to attract a lot of people. It's a flow to a legacy carrier in the end. It offers something no one else can offer besides the wholly owned American carriers.
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08-23-2017, 07:08 AM
#6863
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: furloughed
Posts: 431
Originally Posted by Poser765
A legacy? I mean, sure, I guess technically. The problem is the are incredibly niche. They have less than 1000 pilots with one domicile... A domicile that might as well be on the surface of the moon for commuters. Like I said... I wouldn't take it. And discounting those that are local I haven't talked to anyone that would.
The Goal of a HA flow would be to attract new hires and fill seats in class. Compass doesn't care if those seats are filled with UND grads from the midwest, Riddle grads from Arizona or Caravan drivers from Mokulele. A flow to HA would fill seats! As far as who it does attract, local Hawaiians who don't mind commuting or moving to LA (closest possible mainland base) for a few years knowing they have a guaranteed job back home in a few years.
As far as the size thing goes the two companies actually match up really well for a flow. If HA wanted to do a flow with anyone a smaller airline makes perfect sense. They take our guys at a rate that we can easily replace but not to slow as to be unattractive. If they paired up with a larger regional and only flow 30-50 a year the time to flow for a newhire would be so long that it might not be attractive enough to pull in said newhires.
That leaves the last part of the question, why would HA want to have a flow at all? Well as time goes on and hiring continues to pick up at the majors the applicant pool will begin to dry up. HA will likely be the first to feel the effects of this, for the exact reasons you mentioned (small, niche, surface of the moon). Even if only 15% of our 700+ pilot group ended up flowing that would be enough to insure a reliable workforce for at lease the next few years.
Like you I would almost certainly turn down the flow if given the chance. An 8+ hour commute from MSP is not feasible but again this isn't about guys like us we are already here. I however fully support it as it would mean classes would fill and progression would begin again!
By NO means am I saying I think this will or won't ever happen, to be honest I have NO idea, just my $.02 on why it might not be a crazy an idea as some might think.
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08-23-2017, 08:03 AM
#6864
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,490
Originally Posted by jungle driver
...you and probably 75% of the current pilot group wouldn't take it. Compass isn't worried about what its current pilots want! We are already here and most are staying till we can move on to our career airline.
The Goal of a HA flow would be to attract new hires and fill seats in class. Compass doesn't care if those seats are filled with UND grads from the midwest, Riddle grads from Arizona or Caravan drivers from Mokulele. A flow to HA would fill seats! As far as who it does attract, local Hawaiians who don't mind commuting or moving to LA (closest possible mainland base) for a few years knowing they have a guaranteed job back home in a few years.
As far as the size thing goes the two companies actually match up really well for a flow. If HA wanted to do a flow with anyone a smaller airline makes perfect sense. They take our guys at a rate that we can easily replace but not to slow as to be unattractive. If they paired up with a larger regional and only flow 30-50 a year the time to flow for a newhire would be so long that it might not be attractive enough to pull in said newhires.
That leaves the last part of the question, why would HA want to have a flow at all? Well as time goes on and hiring continues to pick up at the majors the applicant pool will begin to dry up. HA will likely be the first to feel the effects of this, for the exact reasons you mentioned (small, niche, surface of the moon). Even if only 15% of our 700+ pilot group ended up flowing that would be enough to insure a reliable workforce for at lease the next few years.
Like you I would almost certainly turn down the flow if given the chance. An 8+ hour commute from MSP is not feasible but again this isn't about guys like us we are already here. I however fully support it as it would mean classes would fill and progression would begin again!
By NO means am I saying I think this will or won't ever happen, to be honest I have NO idea, just my $.02 on why it might not be a crazy an idea as some might think.
The Goal of a HA flow would be to attract new hires and fill seats in class. Compass doesn't care if those seats are filled with UND grads from the midwest, Riddle grads from Arizona or Caravan drivers from Mokulele. A flow to HA would fill seats! As far as who it does attract, local Hawaiians who don't mind commuting or moving to LA (closest possible mainland base) for a few years knowing they have a guaranteed job back home in a few years.
As far as the size thing goes the two companies actually match up really well for a flow. If HA wanted to do a flow with anyone a smaller airline makes perfect sense. They take our guys at a rate that we can easily replace but not to slow as to be unattractive. If they paired up with a larger regional and only flow 30-50 a year the time to flow for a newhire would be so long that it might not be attractive enough to pull in said newhires.
That leaves the last part of the question, why would HA want to have a flow at all? Well as time goes on and hiring continues to pick up at the majors the applicant pool will begin to dry up. HA will likely be the first to feel the effects of this, for the exact reasons you mentioned (small, niche, surface of the moon). Even if only 15% of our 700+ pilot group ended up flowing that would be enough to insure a reliable workforce for at lease the next few years.
Like you I would almost certainly turn down the flow if given the chance. An 8+ hour commute from MSP is not feasible but again this isn't about guys like us we are already here. I however fully support it as it would mean classes would fill and progression would begin again!
By NO means am I saying I think this will or won't ever happen, to be honest I have NO idea, just my $.02 on why it might not be a crazy an idea as some might think.
08-23-2017, 08:12 AM
#6865
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: furloughed
Posts: 431
Originally Posted by word302
Seems like a gimmick to kick the can down the road instead of negotiating a new contract.
08-23-2017, 08:24 AM
#6866
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 777 FO
Posts: 791
Although I believe a flow of any sort to HA is very unlikely, if it did happen I would go. Living on the west coast in a city that HA serves and being too stupid in delta's eyes to even allow me to apply there makes it an easy decision.
08-23-2017, 09:54 AM
#6867
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,186
Anyone try to log into that new Ascension website thing they provided info on with the latest vacancy bid? I just tried typing in the link they provided and naturally it doesn't work. Just one more webpage and one more log on and password we have to remember
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08-23-2017, 10:06 AM
#6868
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,267
Originally Posted by Fpmx772
Anyone try to log into that new Ascension website thing they provided info on with the latest vacancy bid? I just tried typing in the link they provided and naturally it doesn't work. Just one more webpage and one more log on and password we have to remember
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08-23-2017, 10:21 AM
#6869
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 140
Originally Posted by JetDoc
Although I believe a flow of any sort to HA is very unlikely, if it did happen I would go. Living on the west coast in a city that HA serves and being too stupid in delta's eyes to even allow me to apply there makes it an easy decision.
08-23-2017, 10:41 AM
#6870
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,107
Originally Posted by veewan
Here are the strings. To be fair it said up to 10k per referral when they said details to come.
I still love how this method has three gates that the referred pilot must pass through in order for them to pay. Then my second favorite part is when they say should the referred employee leave you're not going to receive the remainder of your bonus.
Again they are trying not to pay up. If you depart Compass for greener pastures, you don't get paid, if your buddy punches out, you don't get paid in full.
I still love how this method has three gates that the referred pilot must pass through in order for them to pay. Then my second favorite part is when they say should the referred employee leave you're not going to receive the remainder of your bonus.
Again they are trying not to pay up. If you depart Compass for greener pastures, you don't get paid, if your buddy punches out, you don't get paid in full.
Sucky,but that's how 99.98% of referrals are set up across almost every industry.
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