veewan

So asking a pilot not to cross a picket line is honorable but you don't expect that to happen?

I only pose the question because I do get that people have bills etc, but the same reasons you gave for picking up open time are the same ones scabs give to non scab captains at United/Continental today. I'm pretty sure everyone has bills to pay whether they scabbed or not.

scflyer

Question for you guys, how long are new hires typically sitting reserve and is lax still a junior base? Thanks!

The new guy

Seems like it reads pretty clearly that all the steps are pertaining to FO pay. It even has an example that says "step 1 FO pay". Wish you were right but it looks like a losing battle to me.

Poser765

the difference being open time is not struck work. Let's not even pretend your comparison to a scab is even remotely comparable.

Parkedplane

Lax is still the junior base. The reserve question, I have no clue.


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crazyjaydawg

Where in the LOA, specifically paragraph 5 does it say "it applies to FOs only?"

There are plenty of places in the contract where it uses the month of October as an example, does that mean the contract doesn't apply in June or November?

Don't sell yourself short here. You know that if the shoe were on the other foot, TSH would exploit every single word to their advantage. I know that the intent behind having paragraph 4 and paragraph 5 was that if they raise pay to the levels in paragraph 5, then it applies to "ALL other pay steps." That is verbatim from the LOA.

my6FOh

"...parties do hereby agree as follows with respect to the offering of new hire sign on bonuses and year one first officer rates." This pretty clearly states that the whole purpose of the loa is FO pay rates.

crazyjaydawg

The portion you quoted states "year one first officer rates." Would you agree that the purview of the LOA is more than just first year FO rates?

If the LOA applies to more than just first year FO rates then why shouldn't it apply to all pay rates within the CBA?

I think as pilot group we need a paradigm shift away from accepting whatever crap is thrown at us and start standing up for what is right.

my6FOh

It references 2nd year and beyond rates because they are a function of 1st year rates. Captain rates aren't a function of FO rates. I would like a raise as much as anybody, but the union isn't going to pursue that grievance and no arbitrator would side with that argument.

Slowhawk

Lax is currently the junior base and I expect it will stay that way. Probably won't be hard to get into Seattle pretty quick. Guys currently in training are being awarded both. Pheonix will probably be senior but depending on its size might not take too long to get into.

As for reserve that's a tough question. Get hired in late 2016 ? You're (me) are on reserve for about a year. Why? The hiring freeze. For anyone applying now? Assuming the recent good news helps to fill classes, probably 4 months reserve. With my current math at our staffing level we have 90 reserve FOs and Compass wants to hire 100 more in the next 4 months. Now is a fantastic time to join Compass. When I got hired new FOs were quitting and this forum called the airline a "dumpster fire". Since May, it's been nothing but great news around here.

Even being stuck at the bottom of the reserve bucket hasn't been bad. 35 hours a month average and living in base makes for fantastic quality of life. Been flying a lot more lately as our staffing has thinned out.