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Old 08-24-2017, 10:24 AM
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If you want to get paid less and think you're making some kind of point by being late on purpose, you're not. That will just lead to the loss of airframes and not IOCC going away.
How did things work out for Comair again?
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviator147
uhhhhh, non-existent. Why would they raise CA pay? They know we're all leaving when we can. A couple dollar raise while nice for us, won't keep us here. No need to raise it for us since they already got us.


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I think that memo also killed the CA raise rumor too


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Originally Posted by piperpainter
See LOA 2016-02 in the CBA documents. It's allowed without much work!


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According to the example in the LOA, it looks like $41 1st year pay then a 2% increase second year pay to $41.80 ish and a 3rd year pay of $44.28 ish. Haven't done the math for 4th year pay.


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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
The FO rate increase was in the LOA...we aren't looking for CA's just FO's...


I think people need to read LOA 2016-02 a little more carefully. Paragraph 5 states, "...so the difference between Step 1 and Step 2 will be two percent (2%) and the remaining current book percentage will be maintained between all other pay steps. "

While TSH, BG, MW and company may believe that "all other pay steps" only applies to FOs, the LOA doesn't say FOs only and the captain rates should go up accordingly to maintain current book percentage.

I have my grievance submitted and I hope every CA here does the same.
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
I agree with some of what your saying but contractual grievances have little to do with performance...and in fact keeping our performance numbers up helps us sustain our competitiveness in the regional marketplace, it's what ensures we continue to survive and potentially grow
I don't think GoHomeLeg is arguing that performance is related to grievances. Rather, someone willing to drop the brake early, sell vacation, or pick up open time to help the company is not helping the cause.

Unions are designed so that the pilot group has one voice collectively addressing our interests.

So by picking up open time or selling your vacation back, you're weakening the ability of your pilot group to negotiate improvements.
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Old 08-24-2017, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AirBat
If you want to get paid less and think you're making some kind of point by being late on purpose, you're not. That will just lead to the loss of airframes and not IOCC going away.
How did things work out for Comair again?
Never said be late on purpose. I said do what is clearly outlined in the book and reflect that on your delay report.

Also, comparing me advocating for flying the book to an airline that was wholly owned by Delta going on strike for 89 days is a little absurd. But you knew that.
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Old 08-24-2017, 11:38 AM
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Maybe but if we slow down the operation Delta will just punish us. That's the way it is when you're at a regional.
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Old 08-24-2017, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBat
Maybe but if we slow down the operation Delta will just punish us. That's the way it is when you're at a regional.
Punish how exactly? The Delta birds are not leaving our operating certificate. The second they do they have to pencil whip the 89,000 lbs MTOW down to a more unfavorable number (I think it's 85,000). This fear mongering is exactly what allows management to do what they are doing.
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Old 08-24-2017, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by veewan

unions are designed so that the pilot group has one voice collectively addressing our interests.
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Old 08-24-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
Punish how exactly? The Delta birds are not leaving our operating certificate. The second they do they have to pencil whip the 89,000 lbs MTOW down to a more unfavorable number (I think it's 85,000). This fear mongering is exactly what allows management to do what they are doing.


Please review section 1 of the DAL PWA. Compass isn't required to operate the airplanes, it simply allows for our specific 36 E175s to have an MTOW of 89,000.
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Old 08-24-2017, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg
Please review section 1 of the DAL PWA. Compass isn't required to operate the airplanes, it simply allows for our specific 36 E175s to have an MTOW of 89,000.
I stand corrected. You're absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out. However I do stand by my assertion that pilots should be flying the book as well as holding the company accountable for it's intentional contract violations. It does appear that the MEC, based on our latest email, is still actively pursuing an agreement in regards to the violations. However, reading between the lines, it looks like it is the company intentionally dragging things out.
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
I stand corrected. You're absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out. However I do stand by my assertion that pilots should be flying the book as well as holding the company accountable for it's intentional contract violations. It does appear that the MEC, based on our latest email, is still actively pursuing an agreement in regards to the violations. However, reading between the lines, it looks like it is the company intentionally dragging things out.


I agree 100%
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