ImperialxRat

My girlfriend is an ER nurse in SoCal, specifically Riverside County. Occupancy rates are really low at her hospital and others in the county. A few of them have already furloughed a bunch of employees and my girlfriend also just got a notice that they will begin furloughs at her hospital and in her department.

They setup a covid wing at her hospital which has patients, but the rest of the hospital has seen decreases in people coming in... people are staying at home unless really sick and the hospitals here are bleeding cash like every other industry.

Aldo Raine

I stated this weeks ago in another post and I will do so again here; the way we are approaching this WILL KILL FAR, FAR MORE people than the disease itself.

We are being set up for a massive economic depression, which will result in a tidal wave of joblessness, homelessness, depression, suicides, drug and alcohol abuse, malnutrition, domestic violence, criminality, the closure of hospitals and other medical facilities, loss of access to adequate healthcare, and on and on.

Nobody wants to lose a loved one, but sorry, saving 10,000 or a 100,000 just to kill 2 or 3 million and turn the US into Venezuela makes no sense. But that’s just me, I guess.

And you are right. Hospitals outside of a couple hotspots are absolutely EMPTY, and a lot of them will be closing their doors, or at least putting a lot of healthcare workers on the street.

block30

Indeed! My dad has to stay home and pee blood because the hospital cannot/will not take him. One small example, But it's real to me.

OpMidClimax

The current commercial PCR tests available are highly sensitive and viral shedding is uniquely high for this particular virus. I would argue they are not a POS. A lot of time and energy was invested.

The studies of "asymptomatic spreaders" has been published. I don't have time on my luck break to do it right now.

The antibody tests will improve, it just takes time.

First USA studies are finally coming out on hydroxychloroquine and unverified data that has not been peer reviewed was in the NEJM today. I wouldn't be surprised if the FDA rescinded the off label authorization of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine by Friday or early next week. Another larger study will be out later this week with initial results. Even rescinded doctors would still be able to prescribe, they would just take full liability.

There is better data coming out on some other treatments. Just hang in there. I reviewed some very good data over the weekend that is being crunched... and that's one out of a dozen that I know are coming.

flightmedic01

https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody...ngeles-county/

New study coming out of USC showing that this virus is much less deadly than what the mainstream media is leading us to believe. If you do the math, it works out to a case fatality rate of between 0.13% and 0.27%.

Nvrgofullretard

what’s the infection rate?


to the other guy above..we are going to turn into Venezuela? Dude get a grip. Stop watching alarmist media. In one month if all is well things will start to open with gusto. Some of you guys are ****ed about the closure stating it’s not a big deal, when the closure is what made it “not a big deal”. Let the professionals that went to med school take care of this.

Take this time off and build a shed or something. I added a nice lean-to roof for the side of my house. I hammered 672 tacks into shingles today 😃

OpMidClimax

Best response I've read... thank you for the smile...

Excargodog

You “arguing” does not change reality and sensitivity per se is not the measure of merit for any lab test. The measure of merit is predictive value positive and predictive value negative, which is a function of sensitivity, specificity, and the actual rate of disease in the population being studied IAW Baye’s Theorem.

For the current PCR tests the measurement must be made during the time that virus is actually present which presents serious difficulties for detecting the MAJORITY of the infected who have few or no symptoms. Thus the predictive value of PCR testing for detecting WHETHER OR NOT THE INDIVIDUAL IS VIRGIN OR AT LEAST PARTIALLY IMMUNE, which from an epidemiological perspective of determining R0 which is pretty much the real question PCR is indeed a POS.

I will concede that if there’s a patient dying with ARDS in the ICU and you want to know whether the person is dying from coronavirus, influenza virus, parainfluenza virus, adenovirus, cytomegalovirus, or herpes simplex virus, a sensitive PCR test might actually be helpful. But for determining who out there is and is not likely to get coronavirus in the future, which is the decision before the government, it’s kind of worthless as tits on a boar hog.

and yeah, I know, even if antibodies are there they MAY not be protective and MAY not be long lasting, but USUALLY they are indeed at least to some extent and for some duration protective, all of which lowers the R0.

Karnak

How come I never see a doctor at an anti-vaccine rally?

flightmedic01

[QUOTE=Nvrgofullretard;3037672]what’s the infection rate?


Well, the infection rate was not specifically stated, although the Case Fatality Rate is the more important number when making public policy. However, one could infer from the data that the infection rate is quite high. From the article, it states: “...which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have been infected. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study in early April.” So, based on this information, one can make two conclusions:

1) The vast majority of people that become infected with this are asymptotic and never knew they had it. A small percentage needed to seek medical attention, an even smaller amount became seriously ill, and yet an even smaller amount succumbed to complications from the virus.

2) Now that we’ve determined that the healthcare system is not being overwhelmed, the current lockdowns are useless. The purpose of the lockdowns were never meant to STOP the virus (it will spread regardless), but rather to slow the spread in order not to spike the amount of people headed to hospitals.