Vacation
10-05-2018, 06:23 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Or ideally, make it fund 7 IVD's that can be used up to 3x a year, sort of like a floating week of vacation. Company gets to regulate due to demand and pilots get a tool to help control their schedule a little better.
UPS can chose to bank 2 weeks of vacation and use it throughout the year. They can use as few or as many as they want at any time up to 5 days prior to a trip. The company does set limits on their use, much like our coverage/APD requirements. The only downside is that if it's not used, it gets paid out at the end of the year...I'd rather not see an option to sell back any vacation.
10-05-2018, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Well the solution to you getting vacation in February etc is to bid more than one week at a time for your primary and secondary...
I agree with the higher daily value idea.
Denny
I agree with the higher daily value idea.
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10-05-2018, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Below 30% the primary won't get you a summer vacation either. Stringing weeks together is a bad strategy for reserve.
10-05-2018, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Interesting, I have always been able to get a summer week even when quite junior. My category had early June and late August weeks available after the first round. I agree however we need a better distribution of weeks available.
10-05-2018, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I've never held a week between memorial day and labor day, ever. I bid them top priority every year.
I hate to corroborate sailing here, but I got a week in June and I’m pretty junior in category. It wasn’t the right week in June, but beggars, choosers etc.
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10-06-2018, 02:59 AM
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'>>Below 30% the primary won't get you a summer vacation either.<<
One "solution" that some guys have figured out...
--Get on a WB with 6 day (or longer) trips.
--Drop two of them over the summer with IVD days...there's a month (or close to it) off. You will take a pay hit in those months, fly it back as best you can while kids are in school. (I ask myself.."When will your son be eight years old again?")
I understand that some guys are after every dollar they can make so this won't work for them, but it works for others. I don't think the company thought about how this language could hurt them.
One "solution" that some guys have figured out...
--Get on a WB with 6 day (or longer) trips.
--Drop two of them over the summer with IVD days...there's a month (or close to it) off. You will take a pay hit in those months, fly it back as best you can while kids are in school. (I ask myself.."When will your son be eight years old again?")
I understand that some guys are after every dollar they can make so this won't work for them, but it works for others. I don't think the company thought about how this language could hurt them.
10-06-2018, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ClimbClimbNow
'>>Below 30% the primary won't get you a summer vacation either.<<
One "solution" that some guys have figured out...
--Get on a WB with 6 day (or longer) trips.
--Drop two of them over the summer with IVD days...there's a month (or close to it) off. You will take a pay hit in those months, fly it back as best you can while kids are in school. (I ask myself.."When will your son be eight years old again?")
I understand that some guys are after every dollar they can make so this won't work for them, but it works for others. I don't think the company thought about how this language could hurt them.
One "solution" that some guys have figured out...
--Get on a WB with 6 day (or longer) trips.
--Drop two of them over the summer with IVD days...there's a month (or close to it) off. You will take a pay hit in those months, fly it back as best you can while kids are in school. (I ask myself.."When will your son be eight years old again?")
I understand that some guys are after every dollar they can make so this won't work for them, but it works for others. I don't think the company thought about how this language could hurt them.
10-06-2018, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I've done the same thing with the APD for years, it was the only way until the IVDs came along. There are ways to get time off but vacation (the subject of the thread) is not evenly available through out the year. The disparity is 5 weeks available per period in the summer versus 25 in January and February. I understand there's more flying in the summer but not 5X more.
10-06-2018, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Below 30% the primary won't get you a summer vacation either. Stringing weeks together is a bad strategy for reserve.
I have recently moved from FO to CAPT and the summer vacations do not seem to be as highly prized in the left seat.
Purely anecdotal, but if you think about it there are probably a few reasons:
The more any category is filled with Geezers, think WB CAPT, the less likely they are to have kids in school thus not chasing the summer vacations.
The Geezers have limited time left and often see summer as Prime GS'ing time. Think $$$$$$$.
Disclaimer: I intend no slight in any way to the Geezers among us - In fact I hope to be one of them eventually.
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10-06-2018, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I have recently moved from FO to CAPT and the summer vacations do not seem to be as highly prized in the left seat.
Purely anecdotal, but if you think about it there are probably a few reasons:
The more any category is filled with Geezers, think WB CAPT, the less likely they are to have kids in school thus not chasing the summer vacations.
The Geezers have limited time left and often see summer as Prime GS'ing time. Think $$$$$$$.
Disclaimer: I intend no slight in any way to the Geezers among us - In fact I hope to be one of them eventually.
Scoop
Purely anecdotal, but if you think about it there are probably a few reasons:
The more any category is filled with Geezers, think WB CAPT, the less likely they are to have kids in school thus not chasing the summer vacations.
The Geezers have limited time left and often see summer as Prime GS'ing time. Think $$$$$$$.
Disclaimer: I intend no slight in any way to the Geezers among us - In fact I hope to be one of them eventually.
Scoop
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