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04-15-2019 | 03:09 AM
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Because all those things you mention are only super triple awesome "good deals" consistently and to the large colloquial extent implied for a very tiny fraction of the pilot group. The few junior upgrades that happen because of senior pilots camping in the right seat for those super awesome good deals aren't anywhere near enough to offset improved pay and QOL for the vast majority of the group.
I'm 100% in favor of working the system as able. I just think the perception that a sizeable majority support the very very few who can capitalize on the magic even at the expense of across the board improvements is highly overstated. That said, I'd wager that this contract won't significantly attempt to alter the deals of the few. Next time when the cycles of the industry swing the other way though, they will likely be gone with extreme prejudice.
I'm 100% in favor of working the system as able. I just think the perception that a sizeable majority support the very very few who can capitalize on the magic even at the expense of across the board improvements is highly overstated. That said, I'd wager that this contract won't significantly attempt to alter the deals of the few. Next time when the cycles of the industry swing the other way though, they will likely be gone with extreme prejudice.
04-15-2019 | 03:42 AM
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Because all those things you mention are only super triple awesome "good deals" consistently and to the large colloquial extent implied for a very tiny fraction of the pilot group. The few junior upgrades that happen because of senior pilots camping in the right seat for those super awesome good deals aren't anywhere near enough to offset improved pay and QOL for the vast majority of the group.
I'm 100% in favor of working the system as able. I just think the perception that a sizeable majority support the very very few who can capitalize on the magic even at the expense of across the board improvements is highly overstated. That said, I'd wager that this contract won't significantly attempt to alter the deals of the few. Next time when the cycles of the industry swing the other way though, they will likely be gone with extreme prejudice.
I'm 100% in favor of working the system as able. I just think the perception that a sizeable majority support the very very few who can capitalize on the magic even at the expense of across the board improvements is highly overstated. That said, I'd wager that this contract won't significantly attempt to alter the deals of the few. Next time when the cycles of the industry swing the other way though, they will likely be gone with extreme prejudice.
04-15-2019 | 04:02 AM
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. I flew more premium trips in that one month than I've flown in the last 3 years combined!!!
04-15-2019 | 07:11 AM
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I'm not against premium pay for coverage and in the broadest sense think we need more of it, especially for RR. Just don't count on 51+% rallying to defend an extremely tiny fraction of the pilot group's ability to consistently get triple pay when the contract lacks in much broader areas.
04-15-2019 | 07:15 AM
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That's not even what I'm talking about. Again, I'm in favor of premium pay especially for coverage help. GS#2 isn't what I'm talking about anyway. I'm talking about the extreme triple dipper trip drop specialists who then GS a whole month, etc. Some even think we're getting touch drop back (plus a 6th and even 7th week) in the hopes they can work the system to drop two ULH trips every week and never work (unless its for double). There's a cost to stuff like that, and RR and other sked issues need to be fixed first.
04-15-2019 | 07:17 AM
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If its a tiny % then its not really a problem.
And as a tiny % its not likely to be of any meaningful value in exchange wth management for some 'greater' benefit.
If a pilot finds it so bothersome one solution would be to find a situation to be part of that diminuative fraction
The one way you might spread the probability would be to eliminate PBS bidding preference to LCA employee numbers.
And as a tiny % its not likely to be of any meaningful value in exchange wth management for some 'greater' benefit.
If a pilot finds it so bothersome one solution would be to find a situation to be part of that diminuative fraction
The one way you might spread the probability would be to eliminate PBS bidding preference to LCA employee numbers.
04-15-2019 | 07:20 AM
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I'm talking about the extreme triple dipper trip drop specialists who then GS a whole month, etc. Some even think we're getting touch drop back (plus a 6th and even 7th week) in the hopes they can work the system to drop two ULH trips every week and never work (unless its for double). There's a cost to stuff like that, and RR and other sked issues need to be fixed first.
Touching trips ain't coming back and contrary to urban legend we never had pure touching trips, where a guy could endlessly touch the highest time trips in the bid package and always get full pay for them, for every vacation period he had.
04-15-2019 | 07:32 AM
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Then why did we have to trade NH freezes for all of them for it?
Also, if its a tiny %, the vast majority of the group doesn't really benefit from it, even the highly over hyped trickle down effect of someone who can upgrade a little sooner, etc.
All pilots are sea lawyers and all of us like a "good deal" even if the vasy majority can't get it consistently by design. It just feels good in concept. Like we're getting ours from the man.
As for the OE trip droppers, I say keep it but make dropped days with full pay like vacation days. No pick up on top. That will give the very few their unlimited paid time off and also use that system to increase pilot staffing, which truly does benefit everyone.
Also, if its a tiny %, the vast majority of the group doesn't really benefit from it, even the highly over hyped trickle down effect of someone who can upgrade a little sooner, etc.
All pilots are sea lawyers and all of us like a "good deal" even if the vasy majority can't get it consistently by design. It just feels good in concept. Like we're getting ours from the man.
As for the OE trip droppers, I say keep it but make dropped days with full pay like vacation days. No pick up on top. That will give the very few their unlimited paid time off and also use that system to increase pilot staffing, which truly does benefit everyone.
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