Extending is a generous way to put it. I was expired for a week then magically I was current again with a new template to fill out. This after I emailed the department responsible for the extension with no response. So how can you tell the company you’re not comfortable with an extension unless you know (now) that they apply them post-expiration? I had assumed even with the extension language that once expired a sim was a must.

 

It’s absurd to think you can or need to contact the company outside of your obligation. When you get a pop up, fill it out.
Now you are covered contractually.

What happens next is you may have to contact the CP if you don’t feel it’s safe to show for work for an assignment.

This is where an individual CP can threaten you with no pay status.

The union is aware, I believe the FAA is also.

From what I have been told we will all be paid at some point.

Check your time cards.

 

There is nothing in the PWA to address this as far as I can tell. There are 2 problems here and they are not pay related.
1) this is all your opinion and what exactly is "reasonable notice"
2) safety evaluations are made in the moment in time they become necessary

Just like fatigue, going without exercising a skill for a period of time reduces ability. Self evaluation is subjective. I routinely go long periods of time without flying as I exercise my seniority for QOL. I have become comfortable with month long stretches without flying a Delta jet. I do some review on my own prior to returning but also fly outside of work. I have flown with several people that cringe at being out of the flight deck that long and say they would be out of practice and feel uncomfortable. With 14000+ pilots, I'm sure there are some whose comfort level limit falls between 90 and 120 days.

 

At first I didn't mind the 30 day extension. If I had to fly, I wouldn't I be at the top of my game, but I'd still be safe. It would probably take me a little longer to get the plane ready, and I'd be moving a little slower to make sure I didn't miss anything. The issue I had was that I would likely be with another pilot who also hadn't flown in the last 100 days. That greatly increases the chances of those Swiss cheese holes aligning.

 

But when did they apply the extension to you? I thought I did the right thing and checked on the day of my expiration. At the time it was implied that they were only applying extensions on a case by case basis. Seeing how I only flew one trip a month on reserve before COVID, they really didn't need me anyway. Yet, They gave me the extension sometime between noon on my original expiration date and 12 days after. If they can give me as little as 12 hours notice, I should be able to do the same.

 

Exactly. I was ok with the first time they extended me then I went to the recency which is only an hour per pilot to reset everything. Now I’m coming up on my second extension having not flown a leg since the last. Not only would I like a recency sim but I’d kinda like at least two hours so I can do that other pilot stuff like starting engines. There is a high likelihood that when I do get a trip that at least two out of three of us will have been out for a good while.

 

Delta is not doing a second extension. If you hit 120 days you are a pumpkin.

 

Similar story here. Put in my 14 day availability for the initial 90-day window. Check on subsequent days and showed expired then happened to see that at some point after I had been expired for several days I was magically back to normal and the extension applied. No word or warning about it and certainly no question asking if I was ok with it.

CPO says that it's being looked at as all pilots are extended since the FAA allows it even though that is NOT what was stated in multiple flight ops updates. I too missed a second window of putting in 14 days but according to my rep that isn't required to do a second time anyway. CPO disagrees, of course. I was also threatened with no pay as well for proactively requesting a sim ride to get up to speed.

 

As more and more ASRs are filled out for threats of no pay this will get the attention of the FAA.

 

Im sure Steve Dickson will be all ears...