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09-15-2025 | 07:51 AM
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The second 737MAX, lay flat 321’s, 35K’s, and new expected WB order EOY all quit being delayed way past scheduled.. movement and hiring will be a solid 2-5 years to upgrade depending on BES..
The question is when. The days of anything near 10+ yr upgrades are long gone.. At the moment
The question is when. The days of anything near 10+ yr upgrades are long gone.. At the moment
I didn't say that. If he's coming over here for QOL, with 21 years (likely 20 since I'm assuming he isn't in the pool yet and there are probably going to be hiring him in 27, he has to be okay with just being an FO with decent seniority OR a pretty junior NB captain for the remainder of his career.
09-15-2025 | 07:54 AM
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I don't know how true it is, but I saw an article talking about SWA having to accept that the MAX 7 pulled its certification exemption which pushes it back until likely 27. And the MAX 10 can't be certified until after the 7.
09-15-2025 | 08:10 AM
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09-15-2025 | 08:34 AM
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never being a senior CA is a possibility, especially in ATL.
someone hired today with 21 years to go would retire between 7,500-8,000 system seniority. In ATL today that roughly translates to 55-70% 320/737/ER CA.
A lot of that movement comes in the last 5 years, they would still be around 10,000 at 60 yo.
someone hired today with 21 years to go would retire between 7,500-8,000 system seniority. In ATL today that roughly translates to 55-70% 320/737/ER CA.
A lot of that movement comes in the last 5 years, they would still be around 10,000 at 60 yo.
09-15-2025 | 08:51 AM
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I dont know about the serial cert of MAX 7 to MAX 10. Last I heard they are similar and running parallel
09-15-2025 | 08:55 AM
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Not sure how those will "fit" into the NEO seating plan, and whether the attachment rails are compatible.
09-15-2025 | 12:28 PM
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Historically, for many, 20 years or so to upgrade was typical. Took me 17 years to get to the left seat of the MD88.
Given the current state of the world I'd be surprised to see the kind of movement of the last few years.
When I got hired, it was 5 years to the left seat.
Given the current state of the world I'd be surprised to see the kind of movement of the last few years.
When I got hired, it was 5 years to the left seat.
09-15-2025 | 01:47 PM
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I never saw 17 year upgrades. The old gouge was always 12 years to CA and 20 to widebody CA. If you waited until 17 years it likely was to get the base and seniority level you desired. There were some slow periods such as when the 96 contract pulled 350 CA positions from pilots about to upgrade and sent them to junior pilots and what happened after 911.
09-15-2025 | 02:00 PM
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I never saw 17 year upgrades. The old gouge was always 12 years to CA and 20 to widebody CA. If you waited until 17 years it likely was to get the base and seniority level you desired. There were some slow periods such as when the 96 contract pulled 350 CA positions from pilots about to upgrade and sent them to junior pilots and what happened after 911.
09-15-2025 | 02:41 PM
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2 years is the other extreme. The middle of that is 9-5 years, give or take. And that’s probably about right for ‘stable’ times.
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