Buddy, if the idea of working less than half the year, making $200-$300k a year doesn't even meet your threshold of an "average" career, you're not gonna be happy with anything in life.

 

All while making more than 90% of Americans while enjoying 17 days off/month and drinking beer in Europe when you're away. All with zero homework. The other top 10% are working 60-70 hrs/week and most are miserable. With a lot of homework.

Yes, some people got lucky. It's an aberration. The last time it happened was in the 1960's when United hired private pilots.

And some people spent the 1990's flight instructing because they couldn't afford to spend $12,000 to buy a $12,000/yr job flying a clapped out Beech 1900.

And some people spent the 2000's making poverty wages in the right seat of an RJ.

And some people spent the 2000's flying in the sandbox.

And some people were furloughed for 5+ years and lost everything.

You sound like someone who complained about having to obtain an ATP to land a job as an airline pilot.

Buy some perspective. And please work somewhere else.

 

This fruit went straight from CFI to a 320 and moans about unfairness in this career,

0 sympathy.

 

just stop

Get a job at a flow regional because you will never get through a major interview.

 

no offense but seriously how coddled are you? CLEARLY you need to understand this industry’s history if you’re gonna ***** about long upgrades/years as an FO. That’s just historically normal. You have people who’ve been furloughed multiple times, merged with a new airline and got shafted, displaced, base closed, flew a panel, etc. you having to fly the normal amount of time in the right seat making more then they did over 5 years is just ridiculous. You make more then me as a LCC pilot then I did my first three years flying RJ’s COMBINED and I had an easy path. Those hired around 9/11 and were part of the lost decade had the real **** end of the stick and you rarely hear them *****. They accepted the cruel mistress that is timing in the industry and move on with their careers.

The worst part is you went practically CFI to a LCC job you didn’t even experience a regional or any serious industry woes. With not even 3k hours and zero TPIC? Wow. Just wow.

 

You can't be serious. Someone can't be THAT out of touch

 

I strongly suspect they 'reset' at award. Since they do the drop before the fist day of indoc now, I honestly don't know when the magic moment is.

Someone ought to send JC the AE guy that question, maybe on Skyhub?

 

You should not want to know that. It is utterly irrelevant, and will only serve to keep you bitter. And, there isn't a darn thing you can do about it now.

You were citing a 20 year upgrade before, now it's 15+. It honestly makes me wonder if you are trolling. I'm telling you, I track this stuff closely for the benefit of the DL forum, and (barring an unforeseeable black swan), it's not likely going to be even 10 years - which would still be a good result by historical standards. The seniority list at DL is not stagnant, at all. We have 500 retirements a year for 8 years, then 400 thereafter. You will only be a second class worker if you make yourself one.

From what I gather, you made the choice to stay at a ULCC. You now deeply regret that choice. You will get zero sympathy here for that choice, especially when you come across as bitter and somewhat entitled.

But, and I'm honestly trying to be constructive here, you are clearly swimming in the poison of bitterness about it. And it probably showed at the UA and DL interviews. There are lots of pilots who get picked up on the second interview. I strongly suggest you do some hard introspection, root out the negativity, and show some humility. And should you be successful on interview 2.0, focus on the fact that you still got a golden ticket, and will retire a multimillionaire having had a great career. Be glad you got there at all.

The choice is yours.

 

Comparison is the thief of joy!

Speaking from personal experience, being a senior FO can be a great place at Delta…

 

comparison is the thief of joy.

go to your local office park and see what those people do for 22 days a month, 8 hours a day, for 100k a year or less.

Third year FO you’re working 12-15 days a month doing something far less soul crushing, while making 300k.