Reserve for Dummies
06-16-2023 | 06:28 AM
#1151
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I've got a Reserve Coverage - Green Slip Question,
Today (Thursday) I start two X days before a grouping of 5 long call days that begins on Saturday.
There is a miserable 5 day that I was primed to get so I've put in for a 1 to 3 day blanket green slip starting on Friday to ensure I don't get this horrible 5 day.
Well, with reserve assignments now happening 2 days prior, this morning I find I've been assigned the evil 5 day in question. I've not yet acknowledged it as I'm currently on rest.
Does this mean i won't be eligible for any last minute green slips that come up between now and the start of the 5 day that overlap the 5 day?
Or can I still get a green slip on Friday and the payback day will drop the 5 day from my schedule?
I've a sneaky suspicion it's the former. If so this is one of the unintended consequences of the 18 hour callout. My ability to greenslip on my X days taking advantage of last minute green slips to use payback days to break up a long reserve grouping is now quite limited.
Airfix
Today (Thursday) I start two X days before a grouping of 5 long call days that begins on Saturday.
There is a miserable 5 day that I was primed to get so I've put in for a 1 to 3 day blanket green slip starting on Friday to ensure I don't get this horrible 5 day.
Well, with reserve assignments now happening 2 days prior, this morning I find I've been assigned the evil 5 day in question. I've not yet acknowledged it as I'm currently on rest.
Does this mean i won't be eligible for any last minute green slips that come up between now and the start of the 5 day that overlap the 5 day?
Or can I still get a green slip on Friday and the payback day will drop the 5 day from my schedule?
I've a sneaky suspicion it's the former. If so this is one of the unintended consequences of the 18 hour callout. My ability to greenslip on my X days taking advantage of last minute green slips to use payback days to break up a long reserve grouping is now quite limited.
Airfix
If it had only been a 1 day green slip would the PB day have dropped the 5 day or would they have put it on my next grouping of RES days?
06-17-2023 | 06:19 AM
#1152
Never Flies Hungry
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Well it worked out like you guys said. I got a 2 day green slip for today that dropped the nasty 5 day from my schedule and a PB day was placed on my schedule for Sunday.
If it had only been a 1 day green slip would the PB day have dropped the 5 day or would they have put it on my next grouping of RES days?
If it had only been a 1 day green slip would the PB day have dropped the 5 day or would they have put it on my next grouping of RES days?
06-17-2023 | 06:31 AM
#1153
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A 1 day GS should have worked too. PB days are supposed to cover the next Reserve Day. In addition, you should receive 9 hours free from duty immediately following the end of the GS trip, marked as a PR day if it falls into a new day. With that new non-fly day, they can then schedule a trip that starts 10 hours after the PB or PR ends.
06-17-2023 | 06:52 AM
#1154
Roll’n Thunder
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From: Pilot
A 1 day GS should have worked too. PB days are supposed to cover the next Reserve Day. In addition, you should receive 9 hours free from duty immediately following the end of the GS trip, marked as a PR day if it falls into a new day. With that new non-fly day, they can then schedule a trip that starts 10 hours after the PB or PR ends.
But to your point if there was already a trip assigned on that LC day that should be dropped.
06-17-2023 | 08:52 AM
#1155
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From: Looking left
A 1 day GS should have worked too. PB days are supposed to cover the next Reserve Day. In addition, you should receive 9 hours free from duty immediately following the end of the GS trip, marked as a PR day if it falls into a new day. With that new non-fly day, they can then schedule a trip that starts 10 hours after the PB or PR ends.
The explanation isn't quite correct. PB days do not cover up whole reserve days. It's only math. If your GS ends on your first on call day at 0100, it's 9 hours free of duty from there, so 1000 then 24 hours free of duty for each interrupted x day. The PR day is technically the payback day.
To try to wrap this all together, a PB "Day" isn't a calendar day....the PB "Day" is a 24hr period that starts at some random time other than midnight.
That random time is 9 hours after rotation release, then 24 hours for each non-fly day interrupted.
Because icrew/DBMS is so technologically advanced, it has trouble when things don't fit nicely into the calendar day box of 0000-2359. So if that 24hr period touches midnight, icrew will show it as PB on that calendar day...then everything from midnight to 2359 the next calendar day will show as PR. In fact your PR "day" could end at 2358 and you could have 1 minute of LC.
06-22-2023 | 06:12 PM
#1156
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What is current guidance for calling in well? Previously, calling in well prior to noon on a LC day would prevent charging that day to your sick bank due to the 12 hour leash. The scheduling reference handbook hasn’t changed (still reads 12 noon) and PWA doesn’t seem to have the answer. I’m thinking due 18 hour long call the noon time limit might be changing?
06-22-2023 | 06:20 PM
#1157
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What is current guidance for calling in well? Previously, calling in well prior to noon on a LC day would prevent charging that day to your sick bank due to the 12 hour leash. The scheduling reference handbook hasn’t changed (still reads 12 noon) and PWA doesn’t seem to have the answer. I’m thinking due 18 hour long call the noon time limit might be changing?
06-22-2023 | 06:42 PM
#1159
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