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Old 11-13-2025 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
There is no reroute pay due for delayed operations even with a flight number change
That's true, but if the flight was canceled and the new flight number is because it's a new flight, you do get reroute. And it's challenging for pilots to be able to tell the difference because you have to check in the FAA database somewhere. Certainly, if it's published as a cancellation, I assume it's a reroute. (you may know this, but I'm certain most don't)
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Old 11-13-2025 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
In our case I'm pretty sure it was a cancellation of the original flight as they rebooked people on the next days flight. We ended up taking the plane out ~23 hours later (after they fixed it) that was originally just going to be a ferry but then they decided to put some pax on it as we had a full crew ready to go. We used a ferry call sign, not the original flight number. They were going to stub it, but then it got more delayed, decided it would be something they didn't want to do, so that's where we ended up with the different call sign and the 19.5 hour trigger on the WDR. It was a very interesting situation.

My thoughts are it is RRPY. The "Pay ADJ" is still on the rotation in MiCrew. I just haven't seen anything reflected on the time card yet (14+ business days now).
Just send a claim to Crew Assist and see what they do. Maybe they pay it out. If they don't, follow up with an STS for an "official" union response.
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Old 11-13-2025 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AirCoxswain
That's true, but if the flight was canceled and the new flight number is because it's a new flight, you do get reroute. And it's challenging for pilots to be able to tell the difference because you have to check in the FAA database somewhere. Certainly, if it's published as a cancellation, I assume it's a reroute. (you may know this, but I'm certain most don't)
He said they couldn't issue the WDR because they had a conflicting flight number so they changed the flight number.
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Old 11-13-2025 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
He said they couldn't issue the WDR because they had a conflicting flight number so they changed the flight number.
No, they flat out cancelled our flight and rebooked pax on other flight(s). Then told us we were going to operate as a ferry with original call sign with stub then changed that to yet another call sign - the 19.5 hour thing was something that just happens automatically. They did cancel the original flight though. To me that seems like a RR.
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Old 11-13-2025 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
No, they flat out cancelled our flight and rebooked pax on other flight(s). Then told us we were going to operate as a ferry with original call sign with stub then changed that to yet another call sign - the 19.5 hour thing was something that just happens automatically. They did cancel the original flight though. To me that seems like a RR.
Whether or not they cancel it on the Delta website is irrelevant. If it was operated as a ferry, especially as the same flight number, it is considered delayed operation and not subject to reroute.


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Old 11-13-2025 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
No, they flat out cancelled our flight and rebooked pax on other flight(s). Then told us we were going to operate as a ferry with original call sign with stub then changed that to yet another call sign - the 19.5 hour thing was something that just happens automatically. They did cancel the original flight though. To me that seems like a RR.
I’m not 100% smart on reroutes, but if you send the rotation, I can run it through my app and calculate the expected pay. Should be L4 from what you’re describing, and L8 if scheduled to release >25 hours late for trans-oceanic.
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Old 11-13-2025 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhpilot
I’m not 100% smart on reroutes, but if you send the rotation, I can run it through my app and calculate the expected pay. Should be L4 from what you’re describing, and L8 if scheduled to release >25 hours late for trans-oceanic.
Not if it's delayed operations. No reroute due
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Old 11-13-2025 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Not if it's delayed operations. No reroute due
If it was cancelled in the FAA database and not delayed, then it is a new flight. If it was a ferry and not operating, then it is a new flight. It depends.
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Old 11-13-2025 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhpilot
If it was cancelled in the FAA database and not delayed, then it is a new flight. If it was a ferry and not operating, then it is a new flight. It depends.
Not necessarily. I had a flight cancelled. Showed as cancelled in the app. It was then rescheduled the next morning. New flight number. Both the company and the union said it was delayed operations
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Old 11-13-2025 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Not necessarily. I had a flight cancelled. Showed as cancelled in the app. It was then rescheduled the next morning. New flight number. Both the company and the union said it was delayed operations
I had the same thing last year. MX cancellation. Flight showed cancelled to the pax. We were told by scheduling that it was cancelled and we'd be operating it as a ferry whenever the plane was fixed. Rest of our trip was removed. Released into rest and came back the next day. Didn't get reroute pay, both company and union said it was delayed operations and no reroute pay due (for that leg).

This is something else small but important to change in C27: If you're released into an unscheduled rest, it's automatically a reroute.
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