Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
05-09-2025 | 04:20 PM
#7822
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Only forced to depart VFR once in 3 decades of Part 121 flying.
Pre cell phone days, the RCO was broken, and the land lines were also down. It was in the middle of nowhere, so no conflicting traffic except for possible turkeys in the vicinity of the runway. Which make the runway look like a pillow factory exploded when ingested (personal experience). I digress.
I appreciate their thought process, but it wouldn't be for me.
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Someone on the book thread recommended "Collision Course" about the ATC strike in the 1980s (I'm 1/2way through it..it's excellent).
It begins with a story about a midair collision between a United DC-8 and a TWA Constellation in Idlewild (JFK, EWR, LGA) back in 1960.
Due in no small part to antiquated ATC equipment and regular failures of it.
Now United is reducing flights from EWR by 10% and asking it's own passengers to pick up a United flight out of another airport.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme, as the saying goes.
Pre cell phone days, the RCO was broken, and the land lines were also down. It was in the middle of nowhere, so no conflicting traffic except for possible turkeys in the vicinity of the runway. Which make the runway look like a pillow factory exploded when ingested (personal experience). I digress.
I appreciate their thought process, but it wouldn't be for me.
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Someone on the book thread recommended "Collision Course" about the ATC strike in the 1980s (I'm 1/2way through it..it's excellent).
It begins with a story about a midair collision between a United DC-8 and a TWA Constellation in Idlewild (JFK, EWR, LGA) back in 1960.
Due in no small part to antiquated ATC equipment and regular failures of it.
Now United is reducing flights from EWR by 10% and asking it's own passengers to pick up a United flight out of another airport.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme, as the saying goes.
05-09-2025 | 04:23 PM
#7823
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In defense of the crew It’s possible that the crew thought they might be getting a tower to tower clearance. We did that on the shuttle now and then. Delta certainly needs to take a hard look at operations especially at the regional level. The MEM to HSV divert recently is eye watering.
05-09-2025 | 05:43 PM
#7824
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
We need more FO's, or pilots in general to download that pay/time calculator that shows you real time how much money you are making. Next time your fellow crew member is visited by the Good Idea Fairy, just plop the phone by the center console and say "see that? That's how much you get paid to sit here and wait for the problem to figure itself out".
If I hear ATC tell me there's departure delays out of new York due to radar outage, you're gonna hear me on the radio asking what taxiway I can shut down engines at to save gas. gimme a heads up so I can start em up and get my checklists done. FO and I are gonna start calculating EDP, doing pay math and watching the printer for a reroute.
Side note: shout-out to HK for his streak of reasonably good arguments
If I hear ATC tell me there's departure delays out of new York due to radar outage, you're gonna hear me on the radio asking what taxiway I can shut down engines at to save gas. gimme a heads up so I can start em up and get my checklists done. FO and I are gonna start calculating EDP, doing pay math and watching the printer for a reroute.
Side note: shout-out to HK for his streak of reasonably good arguments
05-09-2025 | 06:07 PM
#7825
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We need more FO's, or pilots in general to download that pay/time calculator that shows you real time how much money you are making. Next time your fellow crew member is visited by the Good Idea Fairy, just plop the phone by the center console and say "see that? That's how much you get paid to sit here and wait for the problem to figure itself out".
If I hear ATC tell me there's departure delays out of new York due to radar outage, you're gonna hear me on the radio asking what taxiway I can shut down engines at to save gas. gimme a heads up so I can start em up and get my checklists done. FO and I are gonna start calculating EDP, doing pay math and watching the printer for a reroute.
Side note: shout-out to HK for his streak of reasonably good arguments
If I hear ATC tell me there's departure delays out of new York due to radar outage, you're gonna hear me on the radio asking what taxiway I can shut down engines at to save gas. gimme a heads up so I can start em up and get my checklists done. FO and I are gonna start calculating EDP, doing pay math and watching the printer for a reroute.
Side note: shout-out to HK for his streak of reasonably good arguments
05-09-2025 | 06:50 PM
#7826
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In defense of the crew It’s possible that the crew thought they might be getting a tower to tower clearance. We did that on the shuttle now and then. Delta certainly needs to take a hard look at operations especially at the regional level. The MEM to HSV divert recently is eye watering.
05-09-2025 | 07:24 PM
#7827
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It’s shocking to me that anyone here would believe (even for a second) that departing a major class B airport VFR, bumbling around VFR for almost 100nm, then trying to pick up an IFR clearance from a distant TRACON later is even remotely legal per our Ops Specs / Airway manual.
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