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Old 06-28-2025 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
This is egregious behavior. It must stop. It's obvious this person has an already established relationship with CT/CS (i.e. not their first time doing this). So "education" and a "warning" will fall on deaf ears. This needs to go right to Article 8. The warning was in the Feb 25 MEC alert. This person obviously ignored that "warning" so for me it seems this needs to go right to an Article 8.

This is why we can't have nice things. These people need to be made an example of.
Article 8 will end his career at Delta. A bit extreme. How about if his Rep contacts him and gives him the Choice of donating the RR pay (full pre tax amount) to the Delta Cares fund. He chooses not to… then it goes to the MEC for a vote.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Softheborder
Article 8 will end his career at Delta. A bit extreme. How about if his Rep contacts him and gives him the Choice of donating the RR pay (full pre tax amount) to the Delta Cares fund. He chooses not to… then it goes to the MEC for a vote.
forgive me for being ignorant on the subject, but article 8 can expel a member from the union, right? how would it end their career?
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Old 06-28-2025 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Softheborder
Article 8 will end his career at Delta. A bit extreme. How about if his Rep contacts him and gives him the Choice of donating the RR pay (full pre tax amount) to the Delta Cares fund. He chooses not to… then it goes to the MEC for a vote.
You need to go read Action Item (AI) 23-101.

This person is not new here at DAL. It's obvious, and with a little detective work from the MEC, that this person has done this before. This is a form of wage theft, it's no different than the company's failure to properly pay us IAW the PWA. To me this is more egregious because it's one of our own doing this to other pilots.

This stuff has been going on for a few years now. The MEC finally highlighted it thru MEC Alert 25-02 and then passed AI 23-101. If you read AI 23-101, they can skip the talking and go straight to Article 8. Talking and highlighting this behavior hasn't stopped it. It's time someone is made an example of.

AI 23-101 is easy to find, go to MEC alert 25-02 (February) and there is a hyperlink to the AI. Go read it. Also Article 8 is expulsion from the union. It won't end their career here.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
You need to go read Action Item (AI) 23-101.

This person is not new here at DAL. It's obvious, and with a little detective work from the MEC, that this person has done this before. This is a form of wage theft, it's no different than the company's failure to properly pay us IAW the PWA. To me this is more egregious because it's one of our own doing this to other pilots.

This stuff has been going on for a few years now. The MEC finally highlighted it thru MEC Alert 25-02 and then passed AI 23-101. If you read AI 23-101, they can skip the talking and go straight to Article 8. Talking and highlighting this behavior hasn't stopped it. It's time someone is made an example of.

AI 23-101 is easy to find, go to MEC alert 25-02 (February) and there is a hyperlink to the AI. Go read it. Also Article 8 is expulsion from the union. It won't end their career here.
So what are we waiting for? My pitchfork is sharpened.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Softheborder
Article 8 will end his career at Delta. A bit extreme. How about if his Rep contacts him and gives him the Choice of donating the RR pay (full pre tax amount) to the Delta Cares fund. He chooses not to… then it goes to the MEC for a vote.
That’s fine. We’re better off without him. Scab mentality. We don’t need pilots like this working here.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RockAutomagic
So what are we waiting for? My pitchfork is sharpened.
My apologies for the pedigree of AI 23-101 and MEC 25-02.

For me this is a question of integrity. For this person to do this AFTER MEC alert 25-02 was published is rather bold. Says much about the individual involved here. I trust the MEC to do what's right and I will live with whatever actions they deem appropriate for this situation. If that's a warning, or talking to then so be it. The ball is in their court on this one.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
Discussed before, but if there’s anyone who doubts that people are asking for reroutes, look at pilot names for DL 1274 out of SAT tomorrow. Read remarks.
Someone needs to mail him a glitter bomb with a nice letter.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
You need to go read Action Item (AI) 23-101.

This person is not new here at DAL. It's obvious, and with a little detective work from the MEC, that this person has done this before. This is a form of wage theft, it's no different than the company's failure to properly pay us IAW the PWA. To me this is more egregious because it's one of our own doing this to other pilots.

This stuff has been going on for a few years now. The MEC finally highlighted it thru MEC Alert 25-02 and then passed AI 23-101. If you read AI 23-101, they can skip the talking and go straight to Article 8. Talking and highlighting this behavior hasn't stopped it. It's time someone is made an example of.

AI 23-101 is easy to find, go to MEC alert 25-02 (February) and there is a hyperlink to the AI. Go read it. Also Article 8 is expulsion from the union. It won't end their career here.
We are on the same page. Maybe have the MEC do a forensic accounting and have him repay every dollar stolen since the MEC told people to cease this wage theft.

we are a union shop. Union membership is required as a condition of our employment. I may be mistaken, I believe it’s in the PWA and the FOM. He gets 8’d and he’s unemployed. Paying back several years of ill gotten gains, may be punishment enough & discourage others as well.

and why not public shaming? I haven’t looked him up yet… publish his name, cell & email address here.

the above doesn’t work & he does it again…. Yes… 8’d & gone.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 12:03 PM
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Anyone else tired of Delta just completely melting down every IROP? I understand this was a big hail event and there is of course going to be major disruption, but the way things melt down completely here is embarrassing. Why do the phone lines always go down? Isn't dispatching via unrecorded cell phone a FAR violation? Why does it take hours and hours to get through to crew accomodations to then wait even longer to not be assigned a hotel? Why haven't we invested in better technology or hired more schedulers for IROPS? Instead, flight ops has been blowing money on failed uniforms and obsessing over APU usage and hat wearing, tracking commutes, and harassing people for sick calls.

The amount of unnecessary money lost during these IROPS dwarfs any possible savings from not running APUs and roasting our passengers.
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Old 06-28-2025 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
This is egregious behavior. It must stop. It's obvious this person has an already established relationship with CT/CS (i.e. not their first time doing this). So "education" and a "warning" will fall on deaf ears. This needs to go right to Article 8. The warning was in the Feb 25 MEC alert. This person obviously ignored that "warning" so for me it seems this needs to go right to an Article 8.

This is why we can't have nice things. These people need to be made an example of.
How many pilots to date have been held accountable by ALPA for this? I'm guessing zero.

MSP LECs ought to pull every reroute this guy has had since 2020 and see how many times he's bypassed the negotiated coverage ladder, then publish how many occasions and how much $$$. I can guarantee this is not his first rodeo.

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